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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 6826560" data-attributes="member: 28301">When raging you cant concentrate or cast spells.&nbsp; So the cleric level cant overlap with rage benefits.&nbsp; Also that many classes loses out on feats and battle master dice, a big trade.&nbsp; Really a fighter is pretty complete, the bonus feats quickly add up.AC17 isn't very good for a fighter, especially as you level up.&nbsp; You can start with 16 at first level with chainmail, get to 18 at 4th and 3 dmg reduction against B/S/P all the time with Heavy Armor Master (and +1 to strength score.)&nbsp; That goes higher with magical armor.&nbsp; The 3 dmg reduction loses it value as you go higher, but is still effective.&nbsp; Getting hit 10 times saves 30 dmg, with AC of 17 you might get 10 times in 2 rounds.The cantrips in SCAG all take an action, so you cant use an Attack action to get multiple attacks.&nbsp; If you make them a bonus action, the cantrip only works on that bonus action, not on the subsequent attack action you take for multiple attacks.&nbsp; You also need to be 3rd level to quicken it, so its now not a &quot;dip&quot; into being a sorcerer.Remember also that entering rage is a bonus action, as is casting a quickened spell and other things.&nbsp; Using your bonus action prevents you from using the bonus action granted by PAM.&nbsp; You need to be careful action economy.I wish they would bring back Hafted Defense.&nbsp; I would actually like the PAM feat more if the bonus action was replaced with an AC buff.&nbsp; Also some type of feat to replicate Thicket of Blades, although multiple attacks sort of does that. Remember that the bonus attack by PAM is affected by the Great Weapon feats.&nbsp; If using Great Weapon Master that means the end attack is 10+str+d4, that's not bad at all for a bonus action.&nbsp; Being prone only grants advantage if you are within 5', so not everyone gets advantage.&nbsp; The one enemy is stuck there however.&nbsp; What happens in reality is your DM will have the bad guy send a minion in to absorb the attack and then rush you.&nbsp; Isn't that what BBEG do?&nbsp; You know this so will have to decide which enemy to stop.&nbsp; So when you use Trip make sure you move next to them to get all those attacks in.Also, for multiple attacks you can choose which ones to use Great Weapon Mastery on, you do not have to use it on all of them.&nbsp; So use Trip first, without GWM to get the hit in, then with advantage switch over to GWM.Don't forget to use Know Thy Enemy at 7th level to check what a creatures AC is.&nbsp; That can let you do the math to decide whether or not to use GWM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 6826560, member: 28301"] When raging you cant concentrate or cast spells. So the cleric level cant overlap with rage benefits. Also that many classes loses out on feats and battle master dice, a big trade. Really a fighter is pretty complete, the bonus feats quickly add up. AC17 isn't very good for a fighter, especially as you level up. You can start with 16 at first level with chainmail, get to 18 at 4th and 3 dmg reduction against B/S/P all the time with Heavy Armor Master (and +1 to strength score.) That goes higher with magical armor. The 3 dmg reduction loses it value as you go higher, but is still effective. Getting hit 10 times saves 30 dmg, with AC of 17 you might get 10 times in 2 rounds. The cantrips in SCAG all take an action, so you cant use an Attack action to get multiple attacks. If you make them a bonus action, the cantrip only works on that bonus action, not on the subsequent attack action you take for multiple attacks. You also need to be 3rd level to quicken it, so its now not a "dip" into being a sorcerer. Remember also that entering rage is a bonus action, as is casting a quickened spell and other things. Using your bonus action prevents you from using the bonus action granted by PAM. You need to be careful action economy. I wish they would bring back Hafted Defense. I would actually like the PAM feat more if the bonus action was replaced with an AC buff. Also some type of feat to replicate Thicket of Blades, although multiple attacks sort of does that. Remember that the bonus attack by PAM is affected by the Great Weapon feats. If using Great Weapon Master that means the end attack is 10+str+d4, that's not bad at all for a bonus action. Being prone only grants advantage if you are within 5', so not everyone gets advantage. The one enemy is stuck there however. What happens in reality is your DM will have the bad guy send a minion in to absorb the attack and then rush you. Isn't that what BBEG do? You know this so will have to decide which enemy to stop. So when you use Trip make sure you move next to them to get all those attacks in. Also, for multiple attacks you can choose which ones to use Great Weapon Mastery on, you do not have to use it on all of them. So use Trip first, without GWM to get the hit in, then with advantage switch over to GWM. Don't forget to use Know Thy Enemy at 7th level to check what a creatures AC is. That can let you do the math to decide whether or not to use GWM. [/QUOTE]

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