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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RulesJD" data-source="post: 6828379" data-attributes="member: 6808367">Got some time, so let's do this.  Relevant text has been bolded.Timeline:1.  OP asks for optimized dwarven PAM builds geared towards being "make as powerful as possible."2.  OP posts further info about rolling stats and having taken a PAM  before level 4 as a dwarf, so clearly some homebrew going on, choose to  ignore that and revert to AL because advice doesn't apply to homebrew  where you can change everything on DMs whim.  As mentioned, some like  that, some don't.3.  People post builds that are sub-optimal (see:  joke of using HAM as a feat) or flat out wrong by RAW.4.  I post my build.  At the very end, which is usually where reading comp dies out, I post "Switch between Cleric buffs and Raging depending on the need." 5.  Someone asks about how you can have the stats needed for a Fighter/Barb/Cleric.6.  I make disclaimers about using pointbuy and show how a Dwarf could get sufficient stats.  (+3 Str/Con, +2 Dex because Medium Armor cap, 13 Wis for multiclassing Cleric (14 eventually with Res (Wis))).7.  Kithas (great name btw) posts a level 19 build.  Makes several claims about my build (which hadn't yet been defined as a particular level yet, albeit I did say to go Fighter 11) not being tough enough to last in combat.Makes several other claims about how PAM + Sent works, most bad guys having reach, and several other incorrect claims.8.  You and others proceed to ignore the emphasized text and seem to  indicate that I believe you can Rage and Concentrate on a spell at the  same time.9.  I make fun of you.  Both for not reading what I wrote and for somehow thinking your +1 AC (not assuming magic items for builds is standard practice) is more tanky even though I'll be taking 1/2 damage.  I post a hypothetical level 19 build, NOT claiming to have that build.  Just a hypothetical one.  10.  You proceed to have horrrrrrible reading comprehension and assume I made a level 15 build.  I didn't.  I made recommendations on taking at least 3 Barb for Bear Totem and 1 Cleric, and up to 11 Fighter.  These were parameters, not an exact build level.  You make maaaany assumptions (yes, I give up advantage if I want, but I don't have to unlike your assumption).  11.  For the first time, I state my actual build levels.  Yup, it was 14 when I fought Tiamat.  But wait, what's this???  I also wrote: "Currently sitting at level 17 AL legal."  Everything that came afterwards was stated as from the level 17 build, not the level 14 build.  Reading comp.  I make several statements about HAM still being pointless (especially when you're trying to say your build would be better to survive big hitting BBEGs.  Enjoy that -3 compared to my 1/2 of whatever damage.  Pretty sure it will be significantly more).12.  You change your tune (again) and start claiming you're fighting 2x group size of CR15-18.  You will later change your story (again) to discuss a CR 30 Tiamat fight.  You claim a 55% chance of hitting is "trouble".  Additionally, you switch between comparing builds as against hordes of CR15-18, and BBEGs.  Yet again, I try to adjust to your inconsistencies.13.  Despite my repeated efforts, you proceed to ignore that I stated that I know you can't concentrate and rage at the same time.  You claim my story is changing.  I haven't said anything remotely aluding to the fact that I thought you could.  Please see reference above in big, bold text where I stated that I know you can't and to adjust use of spellcasting/Rages depending on the need.  You also claimed to have ran the published adventures, then proceed to describe a Tiamat fight that isn't remotely how the published adventure's fight plays out as against Tiamat.  Again, inconsistencies are aboud because you either played it and knew that's now how the fight happens, or you didn't and lied about playing the published adventures.  Lastly, you make the completely baffling claim about the discussion being over because of your "real" lawyer superpowers.  14.  I sadly have to admit that I share a profession with you and advise you that claiming to be better at something than someone else just because you're a lawyer is a bad idea.  It's likely why people hate us so much (and rightfully so in many instances).I make the 212 HP statement because that's what my level 17 (as mentioned above, NOT level 14) AL Fighter/Barb/Cleric has for health.  15.  Despite repeatedy pleas to actually read what I write, you insinuate that I claimed to have 212hp in my fight against Tiamat, despite me never, ever having said anything even remotely like that.  16.  You AGAIN change your claims, so I adapt to your inability to read and retain information, putting it in a nice list for you and providing emphasizing font adjustments.  Tada.  Fyi, 212hp at level 17:16 starting Con V Human Barbarian first level.  Bumped to 18 Con (as stated above in a prior post, I can highlight it for you if you need the help) + Toughness so starting health de facto 18hp.Every level of Barb after = 7 (average of d12) + 2 (tough) + 4 = 13hpFighter = 12hpCleric = 11hp4 levels of Barb, 12 of Fighter, 1 of Cleric.Math = 18 + (3*13) + (12*12) + (1*11) = 212hp.  I say again, TADA.  212hp Raging PAM Fighter/Barb/Ceric at level 17.  I'll take my getting hit ~25% as much for taking 1/2 damage from everything.  Let me know how that AC works out for you against those Dex/Con save (that you wont be at advantage on for Dex unlike the Barb build) spells.  Oh, and how do I maintain concentration on Bless?1.  +3 from Con2.  +1d4 (average 2.5) from Bless (assuming that's what I'm concentrating on because I like to help my party)3.  +2-6 proficiency4.  Total = 7.5-11.5 bonus to my Con saves. (7.5 at level 1, 11.5 at level 17)5.  If you take a level of Cleric early, you're minimum Concentration save would be 8.5 (if you roll a 1), so you would have a 85% chance of sucess at your Concentration saves for any damage under 21 (almost almost all of it). Each proficiency bump after that it goes up 10%.  By level 5, you have a 95% chance of making it for 21 damage or less.  By level 13, you will automatically succeed Concentration saves of 21 damage or less.  Depending on when you bump Con, you could have automatic success earlier.  6.  That's how I would (and have many times) made my concentration saves against Arch-mages, or anything else for that matter.  Lots of ways to lose it (Hold Person, etc), but (a). I'd be significantly better prepared to make those saves with Bless up than your build; (b). I'd rather lose my Bless than my party Wizard/Cleric/Sorc/etc lose their concentration spell.</blockquote>

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