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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6126528" data-attributes="member: 92511">Yes.Well, I personally have never been a fan of &quot;summoner&quot; D&amp;D &quot;never have to do anything myself.&quot;I think it is something to look at and consider, yes.Why, exactly? One is a fundmentally fantasy thing...the other has a legitimate &quot;real world&quot; application/connection.Exactly. You've just made my point, thank you. Those things should be &quot;fantasy&quot; not something easy to reflect into my own &quot;real life.&quot;&nbsp;The seductress of course...I fail to see how that improves or makes your point...?Due respect, and I DO[!], D&amp;D is...or was ...a game for 10 and up...I began playing in the early 80s...prolly right around 81...I recall my mother asking me about the game and about &quot;devils&quot; and &quot;demons&quot;...I looks at her like SHE had 3 heads. &quot;What? No. I mean, yeah. They're in the game...It's a game of make believe! nothing real here...&quot; That's one thing...&quot;No mom, [rolls eyes], we're not conjuring demons here...&quot; not the same thing as &quot;Ooooo lemme take after this rully kewl race I know about&quot;AS AM I!!!! But the &quot;basic, standard&quot; game thats supposed to be bringing NEW people into the D&amp;D genre/game...not so much.And, wouldn't it make sense to &quot;police ourselves&quot; as &quot;inappropriate for children&quot; than to just put it out there fer everybody?!And that truth, in what way, justifies presenting a &quot;superkewlz&quot; race who does the exact same thing they're doing as &quot;ok and kewl&quot;?!FINALLY! Thank you!Good to know, cuz it has sounded up until now...YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!!Oh fer cryin' out loud...What, exactly woudl constitute a &quot;real connection&quot;? Do we need to wait for the &quot;mom's&quot; to be up ni arms to say &quot;all these fkids have this in common&quot;...or can we say, with a seasonable amount of ...ya know, reasonableness...that it is inappropriate?OK, well let's leave it up to the smart folks at WotC...ugh...or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6126528, member: 92511"] Yes. Well, I personally have never been a fan of "summoner" D&D "never have to do anything myself." I think it is something to look at and consider, yes. Why, exactly? One is a fundmentally fantasy thing...the other has a legitimate "real world" application/connection. Exactly. You've just made my point, thank you. Those things should be "fantasy" not something easy to reflect into my own "real life." The seductress of course...I fail to see how that improves or makes your point...? Due respect, and I DO[!], D&D is...or was ...a game for 10 and up...I began playing in the early 80s...prolly right around 81...I recall my mother asking me about the game and about "devils" and "demons"...I looks at her like SHE had 3 heads. "What? No. I mean, yeah. They're in the game...It's a game of make believe! nothing real here..." That's one thing..."No mom, [rolls eyes], we're not conjuring demons here..." not the same thing as "Ooooo lemme take after this rully kewl race I know about" AS AM I!!!! But the "basic, standard" game thats supposed to be bringing NEW people into the D&D genre/game...not so much. And, wouldn't it make sense to "police ourselves" as "inappropriate for children" than to just put it out there fer everybody?! And that truth, in what way, justifies presenting a "superkewlz" race who does the exact same thing they're doing as "ok and kewl"?! FINALLY! Thank you! Good to know, cuz it has sounded up until now... YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!! Oh fer cryin' out loud...What, exactly woudl constitute a "real connection"? Do we need to wait for the "mom's" to be up ni arms to say "all these fkids have this in common"...or can we say, with a seasonable amount of ...ya know, reasonableness...that it is inappropriate? OK, well let's leave it up to the smart folks at WotC...ugh...or not. [/QUOTE]

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