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<blockquote data-quote="Shiroiken" data-source="post: 8164413" data-attributes="member: 6775477">Back in AD&amp;D (and presumably OD&amp;D, but I didn't play that), players normally tried to evade or otherwise defeat enemies before starting combat. Stealth and deceptive tricks were common, as was outright fleeing/avoiding. If an enemy had to be faced, players tried various magic items and other methods to use the surroundings to win. Entrapping the enemy was common, or causing a cave-in, avalanche, or other deadly event. Illusions to trick enemies into hazardous area, such as off a cliff or into acid/lava/etc. would be good too. None of these things necessarily required an initiative roll, although some did. This type of play is often referred to as &quot;combat as war,&quot; since it was about winning by any means, instead of through character abilities. Some DMs have an issue with this, so I wanted to bring it up. If you consider it a win, then this type of house rule would push things in that direction.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shiroiken, post: 8164413, member: 6775477"] Back in AD&D (and presumably OD&D, but I didn't play that), players normally tried to evade or otherwise defeat enemies before starting combat. Stealth and deceptive tricks were common, as was outright fleeing/avoiding. If an enemy had to be faced, players tried various magic items and other methods to use the surroundings to win. Entrapping the enemy was common, or causing a cave-in, avalanche, or other deadly event. Illusions to trick enemies into hazardous area, such as off a cliff or into acid/lava/etc. would be good too. None of these things necessarily required an initiative roll, although some did. This type of play is often referred to as "combat as war," since it was about winning by any means, instead of through character abilities. Some DMs have an issue with this, so I wanted to bring it up. If you consider it a win, then this type of house rule would push things in that direction. [/QUOTE]

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