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<blockquote data-quote="Rel" data-source="post: 971192" data-attributes="member: 99">I may be starting to stray from the topic at hand (or maybe not) but let me just say this about that:I don't think that precise body shape has as much to do with attractiveness as some people think it does (note Umbran's post above).&nbsp; I've met a lot of women who looked fine but nothing outstanding, but whom, as I got to know them better, became very attractive to me on the basis of their personality and attitude.I've likewise met plenty of women who were superficially attractive but I could never think of them as attractive because of a crappy personality.I'll also go out of my way to mention that the &quot;waiflike ideal&quot; that is supposedly popular these days is not really attractive to me at all (which is not to say that it can't be overcome by the aforementioned good personality).&nbsp; Maralyn Monroe is about as thin a woman as I'd ever care to get involved with.&nbsp; My wife is more voluptuous than what Maxim is trying to convince me I should be attracted to and I'm crazy about her.The only firm stricture that I put on physical beauty (in terms of body shape) is that it shouldn't interfere with the sort of lifestyle that I want to lead with the person in question.&nbsp; I like to hike and canoe and do other outdoor physical activities.&nbsp; If my wife was too heavy to participate in those sorts of things, it would be a problem.&nbsp; (I'll just go on the record as saying that this isn't even close to being a problem.&nbsp; My wife is going to the gym three times a week and I'm trying to convince her not to lose too much weight.)Getting back a bit closer to the original topic, this relates to the &quot;Gamer Social Disfunction&quot; in the sense that one component of social ineptitude is the feeling that you can't be found attractive or acceptable.&nbsp; Confident people are ALWAYS more attractive so the sooner that folks lose the idea that they are unworthy of or unlikely to receive the admiration of others, the better off they'll be.When I was in High School, I was pretty close to as smart, funny and creative as I am now.&nbsp; What I wasn't was confident.&nbsp; Somewhere along the way, I stopped being a wallflower and started &quot;putting myself out there&quot; a lot more.&nbsp; This resulted in me making an ass of myself any number of times.&nbsp; But it also meant that people could see that I was willing to take that risk.&nbsp; So what if I fell on my face once in a while.&nbsp; It was far better than sitting in a corner, hoping somebody would drag me out of my shell.Now that all sounds pretty cut and dried, but looking back, I still don't know exactly how or when this change in my attitude took place.&nbsp; But at some point, I clearly asked myself this question:&nbsp; &quot;I'm smart, funny and creative.&nbsp; Why wouldn't somebody like to be around me?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rel, post: 971192, member: 99"] I may be starting to stray from the topic at hand (or maybe not) but let me just say this about that: I don't think that precise body shape has as much to do with attractiveness as some people think it does (note Umbran's post above). I've met a lot of women who looked fine but nothing outstanding, but whom, as I got to know them better, became very attractive to me on the basis of their personality and attitude. I've likewise met plenty of women who were superficially attractive but I could never think of them as attractive because of a crappy personality. I'll also go out of my way to mention that the "waiflike ideal" that is supposedly popular these days is not really attractive to me at all (which is not to say that it can't be overcome by the aforementioned good personality). Maralyn Monroe is about as thin a woman as I'd ever care to get involved with. My wife is more voluptuous than what Maxim is trying to convince me I should be attracted to and I'm crazy about her. The only firm stricture that I put on physical beauty (in terms of body shape) is that it shouldn't interfere with the sort of lifestyle that I want to lead with the person in question. I like to hike and canoe and do other outdoor physical activities. If my wife was too heavy to participate in those sorts of things, it would be a problem. (I'll just go on the record as saying that this isn't even close to being a problem. My wife is going to the gym three times a week and I'm trying to convince her not to lose too much weight.) Getting back a bit closer to the original topic, this relates to the "Gamer Social Disfunction" in the sense that one component of social ineptitude is the feeling that you can't be found attractive or acceptable. Confident people are ALWAYS more attractive so the sooner that folks lose the idea that they are unworthy of or unlikely to receive the admiration of others, the better off they'll be. When I was in High School, I was pretty close to as smart, funny and creative as I am now. What I wasn't was confident. Somewhere along the way, I stopped being a wallflower and started "putting myself out there" a lot more. This resulted in me making an ass of myself any number of times. But it also meant that people could see that I was willing to take that risk. So what if I fell on my face once in a while. It was far better than sitting in a corner, hoping somebody would drag me out of my shell. Now that all sounds pretty cut and dried, but looking back, I still don't know exactly how or when this change in my attitude took place. But at some point, I clearly asked myself this question: "I'm smart, funny and creative. Why wouldn't somebody like to be around me?" [/QUOTE]

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