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<blockquote data-quote="Feaelin" data-source="post: 299233" data-attributes="member: 1614"><p>Oddly, I have the opposite opinion.</p><p></p><p>I evaluated PCGen for usefulness recently and found it to be too slow, and I found the interface very counter-intuitive, and also I didn't like how it was very "locked in" in a lot of ways (it enforced things I didn't want enforced, etc.) so after a couple of hours of fiddling with it, I think I deleted it entirely. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>E-Tools, is better, but not much better, at least for a <em>player</em>. I find the interface to be more easily figured out than PCGen (although still a little unexected/non-standard), and appears to be somewhat faster. </p><p></p><p>I "re-created" my 9th level dwarven cleric in it today, in about 40 minutes, even with having to stop to add a spell, a couple of items (he carries around a statue he made of a dwarf he's fond of), and spent some time picking spells to be prepared. It wasn't too difficult to figure out what I wanted to do the first time, which is important when you're in a hurry to get your character printed!</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, the printing didn't turn out perfectly. I could read everything, and all the information was there, but the paging wasn't "quite right". I wondered if IE _wouldn't print the file name and the page x of y stuff, if the paging was correct, but I've not taken the time to see how to turn that off. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>For a gamemaster, it may be a much more useful tool. I've seen most of the pieces of e-tools in various downable applets and things, but it's pretty nice so far be able to hop from one part of the tool to another. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Re: Prestige Classes</p><p>Having tinkered with my own flavor of character utility, I can understand why they don't have a class/prestige class editor. Classes tend to have many weird, and obnoxious specials that don't "normalize" well. It's easy to look at the book and perceive the prestige class as a list of powers/abilities, but where you run into trouble is where those powers/abilities "permanently" change statistical info...a prestige class editor would have to anticipate a wide array of statistical modifiers, some of which are sometimes fairly oddball. The prerequisites present a similar problem.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it can't be done, but I imagine that it proved to be more complicated than could be done in a reasonable amount of time...and this product has been delayed too many times already! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Hopefully, someone ambitious will sit down and tinker with the database and offer "extended features" to the rest of us. I certainly intend to tinker with it myself, adding what ever I can figure out a way to add. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Christian, could you present the url for the third party import/export tool? Does it differ greatly from MS-Access' own export/import utility?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Feaelin, post: 299233, member: 1614"] Oddly, I have the opposite opinion. I evaluated PCGen for usefulness recently and found it to be too slow, and I found the interface very counter-intuitive, and also I didn't like how it was very "locked in" in a lot of ways (it enforced things I didn't want enforced, etc.) so after a couple of hours of fiddling with it, I think I deleted it entirely. :) E-Tools, is better, but not much better, at least for a [i]player[/i]. I find the interface to be more easily figured out than PCGen (although still a little unexected/non-standard), and appears to be somewhat faster. I "re-created" my 9th level dwarven cleric in it today, in about 40 minutes, even with having to stop to add a spell, a couple of items (he carries around a statue he made of a dwarf he's fond of), and spent some time picking spells to be prepared. It wasn't too difficult to figure out what I wanted to do the first time, which is important when you're in a hurry to get your character printed! Unfortunately, the printing didn't turn out perfectly. I could read everything, and all the information was there, but the paging wasn't "quite right". I wondered if IE _wouldn't print the file name and the page x of y stuff, if the paging was correct, but I've not taken the time to see how to turn that off. :) For a gamemaster, it may be a much more useful tool. I've seen most of the pieces of e-tools in various downable applets and things, but it's pretty nice so far be able to hop from one part of the tool to another. :) Re: Prestige Classes Having tinkered with my own flavor of character utility, I can understand why they don't have a class/prestige class editor. Classes tend to have many weird, and obnoxious specials that don't "normalize" well. It's easy to look at the book and perceive the prestige class as a list of powers/abilities, but where you run into trouble is where those powers/abilities "permanently" change statistical info...a prestige class editor would have to anticipate a wide array of statistical modifiers, some of which are sometimes fairly oddball. The prerequisites present a similar problem. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I imagine that it proved to be more complicated than could be done in a reasonable amount of time...and this product has been delayed too many times already! ;) Hopefully, someone ambitious will sit down and tinker with the database and offer "extended features" to the rest of us. I certainly intend to tinker with it myself, adding what ever I can figure out a way to add. ;) Christian, could you present the url for the third party import/export tool? Does it differ greatly from MS-Access' own export/import utility? [/QUOTE]
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