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<blockquote data-quote="Elric" data-source="post: 5028396" data-attributes="member: 1139">There no &quot;start dying&quot; stage, even.&nbsp; The Raven Queen won't die unless the players attempt the skill challenge and fail it (3 failures before 8 successes).&nbsp; If they get to two failures and stop making more checks, the Raven Queen will definitely survive.The module doesn't give any advice about requiring the players to attempt it; indeed, they're better off ignoring it entirely.&nbsp; Your rule means that players will probably only attempt the minimum number of rolls if they have an idea of the costs/benefits (which they probably will; there seems to be a pattern of in-combat skill challenges that aren't worth the time to attempt in modules).With the fixes I outlined <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/269204-e3-prince-undeath-final-skill-challenge-bad-spoiler.html#post5026705" target="_blank">above</a>, you could further encourage the players to attempt the skill challenge by giving Orcus an action he can take until the party removes the shard.&nbsp; E.g., &quot;Drain Divinity, Minor Action, recharge 5/6; Orcus regains 50 hit points and gets +10 to all damage rolls until the start of his next turn.&nbsp; This power cannot be used if the players have completed the Removing the Shard challenge.&quot;If you want to add further urgency, make it clear that Orcus will eventually kill the Raven Queen in this way, triggering the listed benefits of her death (Orcus is fully healed and gains a +10 bonus to damage rolls, a +2 bonus to all defenses, and 400 additional hit points).&nbsp; You don't want this to happen too soon; 6 uses of Drain Divinity kills the Raven Queen would be a conservative number.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elric, post: 5028396, member: 1139"] There no "start dying" stage, even. The Raven Queen won't die unless the players attempt the skill challenge and fail it (3 failures before 8 successes). If they get to two failures and stop making more checks, the Raven Queen will definitely survive. The module doesn't give any advice about requiring the players to attempt it; indeed, they're better off ignoring it entirely. Your rule means that players will probably only attempt the minimum number of rolls if they have an idea of the costs/benefits (which they probably will; there seems to be a pattern of in-combat skill challenges that aren't worth the time to attempt in modules). With the fixes I outlined [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/269204-e3-prince-undeath-final-skill-challenge-bad-spoiler.html#post5026705]above[/url], you could further encourage the players to attempt the skill challenge by giving Orcus an action he can take until the party removes the shard. E.g., "Drain Divinity, Minor Action, recharge 5/6; Orcus regains 50 hit points and gets +10 to all damage rolls until the start of his next turn. This power cannot be used if the players have completed the Removing the Shard challenge." If you want to add further urgency, make it clear that Orcus will eventually kill the Raven Queen in this way, triggering the listed benefits of her death (Orcus is fully healed and gains a +10 bonus to damage rolls, a +2 bonus to all defenses, and 400 additional hit points). You don't want this to happen too soon; 6 uses of Drain Divinity kills the Raven Queen would be a conservative number. [/QUOTE]

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