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<blockquote data-quote="Werebat" data-source="post: 4447928" data-attributes="member: 40158">OK, so let's say I'm playing a wizard in E6.It's pretty easy to bring your caster level up really high even in E6.&nbsp; At 6th level, it's 6th (obviously).&nbsp; Tack on the following with the spell Scorching Ray:1. Arcane Thesis (adds +2)2. Domain Wizard: Fire (adds +1)3. That fireball-esque reserve feat from Complete Mage (adds +1)4. The draconic ancestry feat from Races of the Dragon (pick red dragon) (adds +1)There are other ways to bump as well, but this will suffice for now as it brings our CL for Scorching Ray up to 11, which is where it maxes out at 3 rays for a total of 12d6 damage.Now comes the fun part.Empowering Spellshard from MiC lets us empower a scorching ray 3/day.Swift Metamagic can be taken for both Split Ray and MaximizeWe can also take Sudden MaximizeArcane Thesis lets us memorize a split scorching ray as a 3rd level spell.Now we can cast a split (via swift metamagic), empowered (via empowering spellshard), maximized (via sudden maximize) scorching ray as an 11th level caster.&nbsp; This puppy will do well over 100 points of damage to some lucky target (124 on average).Thanks to the handy-dandy Conviction Points, we can get an extra standard action and cast ANOTHER one of these monstrosities in the same round (this time amping up with a 3rd level memorized split scorching ray, the empowering spellshard, and a swift maximize).&nbsp; 248 damage in one round, woohoo!Does this seem like it breaks E6?&nbsp; I really like the system but I'm still seeing trouble with wizards.&nbsp; I've ruled that you can't metamagic a spell to beyond the point where it would be a 9th level spell if metamagicked via the &quot;conventional&quot; method, but the scorching ray cheese I'm talking about here still works with that rule (2nd level spell +2 for split ray +2 for empower +3 for maximize = 9th level spell).???</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Werebat, post: 4447928, member: 40158"] OK, so let's say I'm playing a wizard in E6. It's pretty easy to bring your caster level up really high even in E6. At 6th level, it's 6th (obviously). Tack on the following with the spell Scorching Ray: 1. Arcane Thesis (adds +2) 2. Domain Wizard: Fire (adds +1) 3. That fireball-esque reserve feat from Complete Mage (adds +1) 4. The draconic ancestry feat from Races of the Dragon (pick red dragon) (adds +1) There are other ways to bump as well, but this will suffice for now as it brings our CL for Scorching Ray up to 11, which is where it maxes out at 3 rays for a total of 12d6 damage. Now comes the fun part. Empowering Spellshard from MiC lets us empower a scorching ray 3/day. Swift Metamagic can be taken for both Split Ray and Maximize We can also take Sudden Maximize Arcane Thesis lets us memorize a split scorching ray as a 3rd level spell. Now we can cast a split (via swift metamagic), empowered (via empowering spellshard), maximized (via sudden maximize) scorching ray as an 11th level caster. This puppy will do well over 100 points of damage to some lucky target (124 on average). Thanks to the handy-dandy Conviction Points, we can get an extra standard action and cast ANOTHER one of these monstrosities in the same round (this time amping up with a 3rd level memorized split scorching ray, the empowering spellshard, and a swift maximize). 248 damage in one round, woohoo! Does this seem like it breaks E6? I really like the system but I'm still seeing trouble with wizards. I've ruled that you can't metamagic a spell to beyond the point where it would be a 9th level spell if metamagicked via the "conventional" method, but the scorching ray cheese I'm talking about here still works with that rule (2nd level spell +2 for split ray +2 for empower +3 for maximize = 9th level spell). ??? [/QUOTE]

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