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<blockquote data-quote="VanceMadrox" data-source="post: 5322141" data-attributes="member: 95151">I understand that abilities above level 8 can be given out using the leaning up approach. &nbsp;My dilemma is that there are some 9th and 10th level abilities I'd like available. Rather than lean up that far I think E8 might be a better choice for me. &nbsp;I also don't really see that it'd be much more work as a DM. 1st level Warrior Orcs might no threaten but statting up a 3rd level warrior orc once or twice barely takes any time.&nbsp;The Gestalt vs Capstone idea is interesting. I think I've seen your list but it was for 3.5 so wouldn't be entirely accurate for Pathfinder. I also don't like the idea of every character of a class eventually getting the same 3 capstone abilities personally.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As for Magic Items I understand you can take the relics from a bygone era or forged by starnge and powerful entities approach. If I did go with E6 I would definitely use this approach. I like the idea of having mortals who can forge some of the items I mentioned. Granted there may only ever be one mortal who has the ability to do it but that's fine by me. With E8 leaning up to 10 I also don't have to worry about Incantations. Just about every spell I would in the game want is 5th or lower. I kind of like the idea of a world where high powered Magic simply isn't possible, even through ritual. I can see the appeal of using it for an E6 game though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="VanceMadrox, post: 5322141, member: 95151"] I understand that abilities above level 8 can be given out using the leaning up approach. My dilemma is that there are some 9th and 10th level abilities I'd like available. Rather than lean up that far I think E8 might be a better choice for me. I also don't really see that it'd be much more work as a DM. 1st level Warrior Orcs might no threaten but statting up a 3rd level warrior orc once or twice barely takes any time. The Gestalt vs Capstone idea is interesting. I think I've seen your list but it was for 3.5 so wouldn't be entirely accurate for Pathfinder. I also don't like the idea of every character of a class eventually getting the same 3 capstone abilities personally. As for Magic Items I understand you can take the relics from a bygone era or forged by starnge and powerful entities approach. If I did go with E6 I would definitely use this approach. I like the idea of having mortals who can forge some of the items I mentioned. Granted there may only ever be one mortal who has the ability to do it but that's fine by me. With E8 leaning up to 10 I also don't have to worry about Incantations. Just about every spell I would in the game want is 5th or lower. I kind of like the idea of a world where high powered Magic simply isn't possible, even through ritual. I can see the appeal of using it for an E6 game though. [/QUOTE]

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