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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1475137" data-attributes="member: 141"><p>I guess what I worrying about is the following possibility: suppose Graz'zt had designed an epic spell that worked like a permanent <em>dimensional anchor</em> on himself (but that could be suppressed at will, of course)- would such a thing have protected him from Fillein's spell?</p><p></p><p>If such a thing is impossible, then <em>Call Graz'zt</em> is a little easier to cast. But keeping Graz'zt bound becomes impossible, as there is no way to keep another epic spell from fetching him from whatever prison you put him into.</p><p></p><p>If it is possible to block an epic spell from conjuring you against your will, Graz'zt would certainly have researched it since the debacle with Fillein. That seems to render Fillein's legacy to Mostin kind of pointless. </p><p></p><p>So what to do? [edit]See next post[/edit]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fillein's spell has the <em>ward</em> seed and a +14 DC to specifically counteract <em>mind blank</em>. Mechanically it is in accord with the note on the bottom of page 101 in the ELH. If it wasn't to protect against Graz'zt's (Su) <em>mind blank</em>, what is it for?</p><p></p><p>BTW, Graz'zt's will save does not include his <em>protection from spells</em> ability, does it? His will save as a 36 hit dice outsider is +20, and he gets an additional +6 for having a 22 Wisdom. With a +8 resistance bonus from <em>protection from spells</em> that's +34. A wizard with a 28 Intelligence would give Fillein's version of <em>Graz'zt</em> a DC of 39. Not good odds, especially if Graz'zt is wearing a periapt of wisdom or some other save enhancing item.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 1475137, member: 141"] I guess what I worrying about is the following possibility: suppose Graz'zt had designed an epic spell that worked like a permanent [i]dimensional anchor[/i] on himself (but that could be suppressed at will, of course)- would such a thing have protected him from Fillein's spell? If such a thing is impossible, then [i]Call Graz'zt[/i] is a little easier to cast. But keeping Graz'zt bound becomes impossible, as there is no way to keep another epic spell from fetching him from whatever prison you put him into. If it is possible to block an epic spell from conjuring you against your will, Graz'zt would certainly have researched it since the debacle with Fillein. That seems to render Fillein's legacy to Mostin kind of pointless. So what to do? [edit]See next post[/edit] Fillein's spell has the [i]ward[/i] seed and a +14 DC to specifically counteract [i]mind blank[/i]. Mechanically it is in accord with the note on the bottom of page 101 in the ELH. If it wasn't to protect against Graz'zt's (Su) [i]mind blank[/i], what is it for? BTW, Graz'zt's will save does not include his [i]protection from spells[/i] ability, does it? His will save as a 36 hit dice outsider is +20, and he gets an additional +6 for having a 22 Wisdom. With a +8 resistance bonus from [i]protection from spells[/i] that's +34. A wizard with a 28 Intelligence would give Fillein's version of [i]Graz'zt[/i] a DC of 39. Not good odds, especially if Graz'zt is wearing a periapt of wisdom or some other save enhancing item. [/QUOTE]
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