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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1475261" data-attributes="member: 141">Another possibility- Graz'zt could counterspell an attempt to conjure him.  He has foresight, after all, and so has a moment's warning of an impending threat- and foresight tells him what, if anything, he can do about the threat.You have to ready an action to counterspell- foresight might give him enough time to do this.  Suppose the dispel were available as a free action.  I don't think you have to ready a free action, but maybe add an ad hoc modifier to it so that (like feather fall) it can be cast when needed, even if it is not your turn.  (+4 DC?)  The rules for counterspelling say that the target of the spell being counterspelled must be within range- since that is Graz'zt himself, there is no problem.Dispel, quickened, with no verbal or somatic components, at +50 on the caster level check, ad hoc +4 modifier, 10d6 backlash, DC 95.  XP costs and more backlash can push this higher, but Call Graz'zt could just be cast again.  Graz'zt can only cast an epic dispel three times per day.  And greater dispelling, which he can cast at will, is a standard action, is probably too slow.  Though he could use an epic dispel the first time, and then ready the greater dispelling.  And he could probably step into an Antimagic Field if one were handy... According to p. 73 of the ELH such a field requires a dispel check to overcome (1d20+20 vs 11 + the epic spell's spellcaster level).  Thus a ward spell against a 6th level spell overcomes an Antimagic Field only if it succeeds in the dispel check.  A tweak to Call Graz'zt is definitely required to give it a bonus on dispel checks.Interesting. Page 73 of the ELH also saysSo a ward that is set to exclude spells of level 10 or lower should exclude them.However the general rule seems to be that a caster level check is required when epic spells directly oppose each other.  Look at the description of the conceal seed and how it opposes reveal, and how a spell with a ward seed works with regard to spells that have the seeds dispel or destroy.  If an epic teleport is resisted by an epic dimensional anchor, you'd need to have an opposed CL check.But what if one of the epic spells included a ward against 10th level spells? Maybe when two epic spells oppose each another, you give a substantial bonus (does +20 sound right?) on the opposed CL check to the one that includes the relevant ward.  Additionally, maybe Call Graz'zt can include the dispel seed in order to overcome opposing wards.  Supernatural effects can be dispelled, so maybe that's the trick to getting past Graz'zt's mind blank.  Is suppressing a supernatural ability also in the power of the dispel seed?  Surely the combination of ward and dispel could do it.  A dispel seed makes it easier to optimize versus opposing dispel effects, anyways.So amend Call Graz'zt to read as follows (changes in bold):Add a line for the bonus to the dispel check if Graz'zt counterspells it, or is inside an Antimagic Field or the equivalent.Sound better?</blockquote>

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