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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 809637" data-attributes="member: 141">The sidhe are a solid CR 9, or a pretty vanilla 10.&nbsp; Because of the fast healing, the ECL will be 2 higher.&nbsp; 11 might be a bit strong for a player character, but 12 is very reasonable.&nbsp; Though the plane shift ability could push both CR and ECL a few points higher if interpreted generously.For example, is the plane of shadow coextensive with the demi-plane?&nbsp; If so, then when a character crosses over, it will be in the same place with regard to the demi-plane.&nbsp; It could then cross back at the same spot (after healing all damage!).&nbsp; Planeshift with an arbitrary plane, in contrast, usually results in a random displacement of 5-50 miles.&nbsp; If crossing over was easy, it could also be used as a shadow walk to travel long distances in a very short time.If it were this convenient, usable at will as a move equivalent action... 12 might be a little low.&nbsp; And the sidhe have high ability scores too.&nbsp; 32 point buy, then +4 to all stats?Why did you decide not give them the elf package?&nbsp; The leShay have it, after all.&nbsp; Which reminds me- would the LeShay consider the Sidhe to be &quot;poor relations&quot;?&nbsp; How would the Sidhe react to the leShay?&nbsp; Clearly the two peoples are related.You're welcome!BTW, I agree with you on the versions of the leShay monstrous class.&nbsp; I am now considering a 40 level version which is &quot;front loaded&quot;- no special abilities after 24th level (though abilities, DR etc. keep increasing regularly).Oh- and I am thinking about getting a portrait of Shomei next.&nbsp; Would you mind?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 809637, member: 141"] The sidhe are a solid CR 9, or a pretty vanilla 10. Because of the fast healing, the ECL will be 2 higher. 11 might be a bit strong for a player character, but 12 is very reasonable. Though the plane shift ability could push both CR and ECL a few points higher if interpreted generously. For example, is the plane of shadow coextensive with the demi-plane? If so, then when a character crosses over, it will be in the same place with regard to the demi-plane. It could then cross back at the same spot (after healing all damage!). Planeshift with an arbitrary plane, in contrast, usually results in a random displacement of 5-50 miles. If crossing over was easy, it could also be used as a shadow walk to travel long distances in a very short time. If it were this convenient, usable at will as a move equivalent action... 12 might be a little low. And the sidhe have high ability scores too. 32 point buy, then +4 to all stats? Why did you decide not give them the elf package? The leShay have it, after all. Which reminds me- would the LeShay consider the Sidhe to be "poor relations"? How would the Sidhe react to the leShay? Clearly the two peoples are related. You're welcome! BTW, I agree with you on the versions of the leShay monstrous class. I am now considering a 40 level version which is "front loaded"- no special abilities after 24th level (though abilities, DR etc. keep increasing regularly). Oh- and I am thinking about getting a portrait of Shomei next. Would you mind? [/QUOTE]

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