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<blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 3338135" data-attributes="member: 7859"><p>I would argue strongly that rules, like Laws in American Jurisprudence are to be adjudicated by more than logic.</p><p></p><p>The laws' intent and review of consequences, (while possibly entirely logical,) contrary to that intent, or to core principals generally render a law null and void from the judiciary.</p><p></p><p>We know the designers intent. The feat is not intended to allow early access to PrC, and is intended to allow a spellcaster,(a Wizard or Sorcerer from the leading text for the optional feats), to cast a single 2 level spell early.</p><p></p><p>Logically a 20th level Sorcerer with a CHA of 11 is capable of casting 9th level spells, simply because the class gives them the spell slots....</p><p></p><p>Technically, logically, a Bard with a CHA of 15 could pick up this feat and gain access to second level spell before 4th level. Logically this feat would allow a 1st level Bard to cast 2nd level spells before he or she could cast 1st level spells.</p><p></p><p>Hmm....methinks if there was a Supreme Court of D&D rules this feat might be declared unconstitutional for violating core principals.</p><p></p><p>If you look even further because of the special conditions of the feat, further more egregious 'logical' implications are possible.</p><p></p><p>A Duskblade with an Int of 15 could take this feat at 1st level and chose the spell Wraithstrike, and make a logical case to be able to cast it. The Feat says: </p><p></p><p>"<strong>Chose one 2nd level spell from a school of magic you have access to. You gain an Extra 2nd-level spell slot that MUST be used initially to cast ONLY the chosen spell</strong>". (emphasis added).</p><p></p><p>No reference to the spell being on your spell list, and following that line, the feat gives the mechanic for how to be able to cast that spell, which logically one could assume, being self contained and easily understood, supersedes the normal rule prohibition against being able to cast spells not on your spell list.</p><p></p><p>This is all very logical, and within the written rules of the text....and I think most would agree, probably Unconstitutional in the Supreme Court of D&D.</p><p></p><p>Which brings me back to my original position...the feat is written and intended to create a special exception for a character to cast a single 2nd level spell early, and does not account for any implications of that.</p><p>It is a limited exception, not entitled to the rights and obligations of 2nd level spell slots.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="satori01, post: 3338135, member: 7859"] I would argue strongly that rules, like Laws in American Jurisprudence are to be adjudicated by more than logic. The laws' intent and review of consequences, (while possibly entirely logical,) contrary to that intent, or to core principals generally render a law null and void from the judiciary. We know the designers intent. The feat is not intended to allow early access to PrC, and is intended to allow a spellcaster,(a Wizard or Sorcerer from the leading text for the optional feats), to cast a single 2 level spell early. Logically a 20th level Sorcerer with a CHA of 11 is capable of casting 9th level spells, simply because the class gives them the spell slots.... Technically, logically, a Bard with a CHA of 15 could pick up this feat and gain access to second level spell before 4th level. Logically this feat would allow a 1st level Bard to cast 2nd level spells before he or she could cast 1st level spells. Hmm....methinks if there was a Supreme Court of D&D rules this feat might be declared unconstitutional for violating core principals. If you look even further because of the special conditions of the feat, further more egregious 'logical' implications are possible. A Duskblade with an Int of 15 could take this feat at 1st level and chose the spell Wraithstrike, and make a logical case to be able to cast it. The Feat says: "[B]Chose one 2nd level spell from a school of magic you have access to. You gain an Extra 2nd-level spell slot that MUST be used initially to cast ONLY the chosen spell[/B]". (emphasis added). No reference to the spell being on your spell list, and following that line, the feat gives the mechanic for how to be able to cast that spell, which logically one could assume, being self contained and easily understood, supersedes the normal rule prohibition against being able to cast spells not on your spell list. This is all very logical, and within the written rules of the text....and I think most would agree, probably Unconstitutional in the Supreme Court of D&D. Which brings me back to my original position...the feat is written and intended to create a special exception for a character to cast a single 2nd level spell early, and does not account for any implications of that. It is a limited exception, not entitled to the rights and obligations of 2nd level spell slots. [/QUOTE]
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