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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dimwhit" data-source="post: 1471444" data-attributes="member: 2576">Yeah, that's basically it.Now you do have an interesting point here, I admit. And I'm not saying I think you're wrong. But not only is the CDG an automatic hit, it's an automatic crit. So you really couldn't still make the roll for a CDG without likely forfeiture of the crit, which fundamentally changes a CDG.I think that to allow PA for a CDG, you would have to forfeit your automatic crit and actually roll to hit, with all appropriate modifiers. Then you could add the PA damage. If you happen to roll a crit, great. But, of course, that would be a house rule.I think at this point we're all talking in circles. If Wizards didn't have such a significant track record of botching descriptions for rules, I might concede that PA could be used with a CDG. Maybe. I just think the intended logic behind the CDG would forbid it. But that's just me. Maybe I'll ask my DM tonight and see what he (well, they) thinks.</blockquote>