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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1473367" data-attributes="member: 13098"><p>Personally, I see no reason why PA shouldn't apply to a CDG. A Sneak Attack is allowed isn't it? Would you allow a Blackguard to Smite Good on a CDG? If you have an opponent helpless at your feet, why not have the Barbarian go executioner style with his great axe? Is it too much that the barbarian also gets PA damage? </p><p></p><p><strong>Bob the Barbarian:</strong> "Me gonna take his head off with big axe!"</p><p><strong>Randy the Rogue:</strong> "I'm not so sure about that Bob. You might not be able to do it and kill him right away. Here, let me use my dagger and my +5d6 sneak attack..."</p><p></p><p>So, if PA can't be used without a to-hit roll, do you allow your PC's to use PA against a wooden door in the BBEG's lair? The door isn't fighting back and you don't need a to-hit roll on it, so it is impossible to make a PA?</p><p></p><p>What if the feat had been named "Weapon Expertise" and the text explicitly stated that you could make up your own justification on why your PC can strike for more damage. Such as being more precise about where you are hitting (Crease in the full plate with your maul, or under the arm with your rapier, or between the iron bands reinforcing the wooden door), or that you are just throwing all your strength into it and maybe you are a little less accurate with the strike, or because your lining up the attack is telegraphing to your opponent who is able to defend against it better. Would you be OK with allowing PA to work in more situations if that were the case?</p><p></p><p>CDG is brutal. CDG with a Sneak Attack is really brutal. CDG with PA is really brutal. The high level blackguard/ftr/rogue doing a CDG with PA, Sneak Attack and Smite Good for overkill is ludicrous. But, why not allow it? The attack is meant to kill the opponent. Why not let the character use all the tools they can to reach that goal?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BSF, post: 1473367, member: 13098"] Personally, I see no reason why PA shouldn't apply to a CDG. A Sneak Attack is allowed isn't it? Would you allow a Blackguard to Smite Good on a CDG? If you have an opponent helpless at your feet, why not have the Barbarian go executioner style with his great axe? Is it too much that the barbarian also gets PA damage? [b]Bob the Barbarian:[/b] "Me gonna take his head off with big axe!" [b]Randy the Rogue:[/b] "I'm not so sure about that Bob. You might not be able to do it and kill him right away. Here, let me use my dagger and my +5d6 sneak attack..." So, if PA can't be used without a to-hit roll, do you allow your PC's to use PA against a wooden door in the BBEG's lair? The door isn't fighting back and you don't need a to-hit roll on it, so it is impossible to make a PA? What if the feat had been named "Weapon Expertise" and the text explicitly stated that you could make up your own justification on why your PC can strike for more damage. Such as being more precise about where you are hitting (Crease in the full plate with your maul, or under the arm with your rapier, or between the iron bands reinforcing the wooden door), or that you are just throwing all your strength into it and maybe you are a little less accurate with the strike, or because your lining up the attack is telegraphing to your opponent who is able to defend against it better. Would you be OK with allowing PA to work in more situations if that were the case? CDG is brutal. CDG with a Sneak Attack is really brutal. CDG with PA is really brutal. The high level blackguard/ftr/rogue doing a CDG with PA, Sneak Attack and Smite Good for overkill is ludicrous. But, why not allow it? The attack is meant to kill the opponent. Why not let the character use all the tools they can to reach that goal? [/QUOTE]
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