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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 4599921" data-attributes="member: 2205">I've run several campaigns with civilized goblinoid nations, and with goblin and/or hobgoblin PCs.  Bugbears always seemed a poor fit to me, so I rarely use them.Eberron's Darguun is a pretty good take on goblinoids, but lately I've been using the skorne cultural write-up from Privateer Press's Monsternomicon Vol. II as the fluff text for my hobgoblins.  I've also toyed with the idea that goblinoids keep hyenas instead of canines in the same role, and that gnolls are a magically induced transformation that affects certain elite hobgoblin holy warriors, under the influence of their hyena-god Yinigu.To me, it only seems natural that the militaristic and well-organized hobgoblins would be nearly as successful as humans at controlling territory and building empires.  I've been kicking around that idea ever since I saw Klaus's "Pax Hobgoblinica" picture, but Eberron with it's Darguun really kickstarted the idea all over again for me.I tend to have the goblins as a lower class caste of goblinoid, and as a PC race I think they're a bit underpowered.  I allow them to take an extra feat, sorta like humans can, to compensate.  Hobgoblins are technically LA +1 in 3.5, but I don't think it's justified.  Their racial ability score adjustments are net positive, but their other racial abilities ain't squat.  Arguably, they're weaker than dwarves even without the LA +1.  My last two games have had hobgoblins without the LA, and I don't find them unbalanced at all.Of course, in 4e that's a moot point, since the stats for all the races are more or less equivalent to each other.</blockquote>

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