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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fredramsey" data-source="post: 1887709" data-attributes="member: 20274">But people aren't going to jump up out of their thrones and let the PC's sit down, any more than the dragon is going to jump up off his hoard and let the PC's take it when they walk in the cave.The argument was, if you look back a few posts, that 20th level characters can do whatever they want because of their powers. I, and Henry, say 'taint necessarily so.At the risk of repeating myself, 20th level powers are not a guarantee of success in such an undertaking. Henry pointed out several reasons why. You were stating, if you check back a few posts, that there was nothing that could stand in a 20th level (character or party)'s way. Very, very, very untrue.If a party started to take a nation by force, I would feel remiss if I didn't have that nation fight back with whatever resources it had, period. It would ruin the suspension of disbelief if the king just said, "Of course! Here, take my crown, please!"Now if the party went at it the intelligent way, by raising their own army, protecting against assassination, perhaps starting a war between two kingdoms and attacking the winner, formed alliances, etc. then they would have a much better chance of succeeding.But there is no scroll or wand or staff of kingdom conquering. No BAB that will let you take out an army (out of just 20 soldiers, odds are that one of them will roll a 20. Multiply this by thousands). Simple math would prevent automatic success. And it would make for a boring game.</blockquote>

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