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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 1887882" data-attributes="member: 158">Now, for specifics, to wit:Fred, would you agree that a high-level character COULD get away with nuking a ruler and even a city or two before some kind of repercussion is organized? I think Joe understands there are consequences in such an action (he stated so), but someone who actually ethically made it to 20th level would likely not be so crass as to pull a Conan-style coup, unless he already had support of someone local. But if they planned to pull a betrayal or sudden coup, they COULD get away with some pretty massive devastation before someone says, "We've got to tame that loose bombard."However, by the same token, In my campaign a player would have to be pretty damned cagey to pull off a massive power shift successfully. I've NEVER had a player succeed at this, because they didn't want to put the effort into being such a mover and shaker. If they did, I'd let them try, and they'd better get really smart really quick to avoid the rules exploitation I'd unleash (preferably by training the rules-gods of ENWorld on such a mental exercise <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />), because if they want to be Conan, then by God I'll let them be Conan - Crucifixion tree and all. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> If they avoid the minds of ENWorld and myself, then they win, pure and simple - and it's not a pushover victory, they accomplished something to be proud of. Rather than being like Melvin what's-his-name in the Dragon Letters Forum ten years back who said, "Stop playing Greyhawk, I've killed it all, and the gods work as slaves in my mines", they can say, "I turned King Boranel's advisors against him, Blackmailed the Mayor of Sharn, assassinated half the Sharn council and coerced the other half, and rallied the Poor unwashed of Lower Dura into nominating me to council, and used the position to institute a shift to an Oligarchy, headed by ME!" then they have something to brag about.And I think Joe and Fred are pretty much saying the same thing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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