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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7857587" data-attributes="member: 93670">No they do not &amp; it's really not part of it but needs to make it clear how it's blocked off or something because the great wheel ,likes to say tharits gods, &amp; its baseline assumptions apply to all settings. Eberron has it's own wildly different <a href="https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Planes_of_Eberron" target="_blank">Cosmology</a> (as does darksun with i<a href="https://darksun.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmology" target="_blank">ts</a>), The gods do not exist in eberron or are so hands off that they make a coma patient look involved. Demons are often native to eberron, races are very different in many many cases.&nbsp; When you start importing the baselines of settings from great wheel (lets be honest and not pretend that the great wheel is something other than &quot;in the forgotten realms&quot;). does damage to both of those settings &amp; vice versa if you try to import stuff from them. To give an example of just how incompatible they are,&nbsp; Back in 4e Wotc had this big metaplot with asmodeous, the 9 hells, &amp; tieflings... Asmodious did not exist... The nine hells also did not exist....&nbsp; Tieflings were pretty new &amp; didn't explicity exist but more on that below...&nbsp;Eberron's history right from the creation myth all the way up to the present &amp; no doubt beyond has massive influences .&nbsp; Tieflings in the planeswalker handbook where they got introduced where pretty much &quot;some mortal race with a bit of fiend in their blood&quot;.&nbsp; That explanation worked fine for eberron given its influences &amp; unique spin on alignment, but not with the metaplot.In the metaplot Asmodeous did something to birth/claim/whatever the tiefling race&nbsp; &amp; they all became his children while he became lord of the nine hells.&nbsp; Asmodious' lore as an individual was violently in conflict with much of eberron, so the eberron books created a plane that was totally not just the nine hells but was literally rthe nine hells if you instead called it &quot;baator&quot;.&nbsp; Unfortunately multiple layers within the nine hells conflict with planes that actually exist within eberron's planar structure.. the metaplot too precedence &amp; eberron sourcebooks became this weird mishmash of duplication.Now that the nine hells existed, asmodeous could be installed as its ruler... unfortunately eberron's Children of Khyber (this includes both races of demons &amp; devils) don't do the whole bargain for souls thing &amp; have a very different role within the setting... Now they had both &amp; it was a logic conflict.&nbsp;&nbsp; So on &amp; so forth, I'll stop there rather than continuing.&nbsp; baator is a rather touchy subject.&nbsp; Eberron treats magic as a science, FR treats it pretty much like a cargo cult treats science.&nbsp; You can cargo cult down science into myth/lore/legend/etc, but you can't really do the same in reverse &amp; that makes it so cracks start forming in the tapestry the further you push.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7857587, member: 93670"] No they do not & it's really not part of it but needs to make it clear how it's blocked off or something because the great wheel ,likes to say tharits gods, & its baseline assumptions apply to all settings. Eberron has it's own wildly different [URL='https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Planes_of_Eberron']Cosmology[/URL] (as does darksun with i[URL='https://darksun.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmology']ts[/URL]), The gods do not exist in eberron or are so hands off that they make a coma patient look involved. Demons are often [I]native[/I] to eberron, races are very different in many many cases. When you start importing the baselines of settings from great wheel [I](lets be honest and not pretend that the great wheel is something other than "in the forgotten realms")[/I]. does damage to both of those settings & vice versa if you try to import stuff from them. To give an example of just how incompatible they are, Back in 4e Wotc had this big metaplot with asmodeous, the 9 hells, & tieflings... Asmodious did not [I]exist... T[/I]he nine hells also did not [I]exist[/I].... Tieflings were pretty new & didn't explicity exist but more on that below... Eberron's history right from the creation myth all the way up to the present & no doubt beyond has massive influences . Tieflings in the planeswalker handbook where they got introduced where pretty much "some mortal race with a bit of fiend in their blood". That explanation worked fine for eberron given its influences & unique spin on alignment, but not with the metaplot. In the metaplot Asmodeous did something to birth/claim/whatever the tiefling race & they all became his children while he became lord of the nine hells. Asmodious' lore as an individual was violently in conflict with much of eberron, so the eberron books created a plane that was totally not just the nine hells but was literally rthe nine hells if you instead called it "baator". Unfortunately multiple layers within the nine hells conflict with planes that actually exist within eberron's planar structure.. the metaplot too precedence & eberron sourcebooks became this weird mishmash of duplication. Now that the nine hells existed, asmodeous could be installed as its ruler... unfortunately eberron's Children of Khyber (this includes both races of demons & devils) don't do the whole bargain for souls thing & have a very different role within the setting... Now they had both & it was a logic conflict. So on & so forth, I'll stop there rather than continuing. baator is a rather touchy subject. Eberron treats magic as a science, FR treats it pretty much like a cargo cult treats science. You [I]can[/I] cargo cult down science into myth/lore/legend/etc, but you can't really do the same in reverse & that makes it so cracks start forming in the tapestry the further you push. [/QUOTE]

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