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<blockquote data-quote="Demetrios1453" data-source="post: 7857761" data-attributes="member: 6801060"><p>The Great Wheel wasn't even FR canon in 2004 when Eberron was created. FR had a "Great Tree" planar model of its own during 3e, totally at variance with the Great Wheel which still remained the default for Greyhawk and the edition as a whole. In fact, in the last 20 years, FR has only used the Great Wheel in the last five, and before that the Great Wheel was its own setting in Planescape. Furthermore, Dark Sun and Ravenloft were slotted into the Great Wheel during those Planescape days.</p><p></p><p>As a result, I'm curious at what date FR "consumed" the Great Wheel.</p><p></p><p>It couldn't have been in 1e, as FR only existed as a setting at the very end of the edition.</p><p>It couldn't have been in 2e, as Planescape was its own setting.</p><p>It couldn't have been in 3e, as the FR had a planar system of its own that wasn't the Great Wheel.</p><p>It couldn't have been in 4e, as no one used the Great Wheel at that point.</p><p></p><p>You could potentially say it's happened over the last few years (although that's highly debatable), but all the settings you mentioned were created either at times where Planescape (which is <em>very</em> different than FR in theme) was the default for the Great Wheel, or FR didn't even use the Great Wheel at all. If anything, it's nostalgia for Planescape, Spelljammer, and before them, Greyhawk, which was the progenitor of the Great Wheel after all, that causes people to want to fit square pegs of settings into the round holes of the Great Wheel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Demetrios1453, post: 7857761, member: 6801060"] The Great Wheel wasn't even FR canon in 2004 when Eberron was created. FR had a "Great Tree" planar model of its own during 3e, totally at variance with the Great Wheel which still remained the default for Greyhawk and the edition as a whole. In fact, in the last 20 years, FR has only used the Great Wheel in the last five, and before that the Great Wheel was its own setting in Planescape. Furthermore, Dark Sun and Ravenloft were slotted into the Great Wheel during those Planescape days. As a result, I'm curious at what date FR "consumed" the Great Wheel. It couldn't have been in 1e, as FR only existed as a setting at the very end of the edition. It couldn't have been in 2e, as Planescape was its own setting. It couldn't have been in 3e, as the FR had a planar system of its own that wasn't the Great Wheel. It couldn't have been in 4e, as no one used the Great Wheel at that point. You could potentially say it's happened over the last few years (although that's highly debatable), but all the settings you mentioned were created either at times where Planescape (which is [I]very[/I] different than FR in theme) was the default for the Great Wheel, or FR didn't even use the Great Wheel at all. If anything, it's nostalgia for Planescape, Spelljammer, and before them, Greyhawk, which was the progenitor of the Great Wheel after all, that causes people to want to fit square pegs of settings into the round holes of the Great Wheel. [/QUOTE]
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