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Eberron: My issue with the 4e setting
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<blockquote data-quote="Imban" data-source="post: 4886792" data-attributes="member: 29206"><p>Well, I was just dismissing that line of argument altogether, because even if I was using incredibly ridiculous hyperbole compared to the original post, that nonsense is still bad. But why not, I'll respond to this, because it shows that you seem to not have gotten the thrust of my argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, so what I have absolutely 0 trouble with and the person I was posting to support assumedly has no trouble with is giving an NPC sword-swinger a power to stab someone so hard they go flying or an NPC spellcaster the power to shoot lightning from his hands. The exact powers may not be replicated in the skillset available to PCs, but I'm fairly certain that if I wanted to build a PC who could stab someone so hard they go flying, or a PC who could shoot lightning from his hands, that I could do this.</p><p></p><p>The exact <strong>mechanics</strong> of what they do, in other words, is different between PCs and NPCs, but thematically they're both skilled fighters who are using their martial fighting abilities.</p><p></p><p>What I would disagree with in most cases is giving an NPC healer the power to conjure the image of an immense pearly dragon from her dragonmark and radiate healing light upon the battlefield, because there isn't even the slightest hint of that being something a PC of any healing class with the Mark of Healing can do. It's at its worst when dealing with the aforementioned god-NPCs, but even when the NPCs in question can't just tool around all the PCs, it can be frustrating when it feels like the PCs are the only ones burdened by rules and all the DM's guys and all the guys in the fiction get to have awesome stuff made up just for themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Conceded, though I feel it's always easier to give people a special dispensation than a special screw-you. Less hard feelings.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's the kind of story hook I'd expect out of one of the many people I'd willingly let have the out-of-type mark. The people who would put it on the bottom of their foot can play the appropriate race.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose there isn't one, so I'll concede this point too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imban, post: 4886792, member: 29206"] Well, I was just dismissing that line of argument altogether, because even if I was using incredibly ridiculous hyperbole compared to the original post, that nonsense is still bad. But why not, I'll respond to this, because it shows that you seem to not have gotten the thrust of my argument. OK, so what I have absolutely 0 trouble with and the person I was posting to support assumedly has no trouble with is giving an NPC sword-swinger a power to stab someone so hard they go flying or an NPC spellcaster the power to shoot lightning from his hands. The exact powers may not be replicated in the skillset available to PCs, but I'm fairly certain that if I wanted to build a PC who could stab someone so hard they go flying, or a PC who could shoot lightning from his hands, that I could do this. The exact [b]mechanics[/b] of what they do, in other words, is different between PCs and NPCs, but thematically they're both skilled fighters who are using their martial fighting abilities. What I would disagree with in most cases is giving an NPC healer the power to conjure the image of an immense pearly dragon from her dragonmark and radiate healing light upon the battlefield, because there isn't even the slightest hint of that being something a PC of any healing class with the Mark of Healing can do. It's at its worst when dealing with the aforementioned god-NPCs, but even when the NPCs in question can't just tool around all the PCs, it can be frustrating when it feels like the PCs are the only ones burdened by rules and all the DM's guys and all the guys in the fiction get to have awesome stuff made up just for themselves. Conceded, though I feel it's always easier to give people a special dispensation than a special screw-you. Less hard feelings. That's the kind of story hook I'd expect out of one of the many people I'd willingly let have the out-of-type mark. The people who would put it on the bottom of their foot can play the appropriate race. I suppose there isn't one, so I'll concede this point too. [/QUOTE]
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