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(Eberron) Please help - Is the Battlefist considered a natural weapon?
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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2423915" data-attributes="member: 17296"><p>The Battlefist is a special item. It specifically 'breaks' certain rules... or rather, it doesn't break the rules so much as it has multiple effects. </p><p></p><p>OK... it's a +1 weapon. It says that so it indeed IS a weapon, and therefore you can use it as a weapon doing the damage it states, and it gets multiple attacks from a higher BAB.</p><p></p><p>But that's not ALL it does. It also enhances the warforged natural attacks. When it's doing this instead of being a weapon, the attack is a natural attack (and no additional attacks due to BAB). Note that the warforged's natrual attacks are 'slam' attacks, and a slam attack could just as easily come from his shoulders as his fist. So this is a relatively powerful enchantment (And all for only 2K! A very good deal). </p><p></p><p>But that's not all! You can indeed align a battlefist, as it's a weapon. It also improves the natural attacks... true. Now, will this 'align weapon' also align their natural attacks? I'm tempted to say yes, but it could easily be no too, depending on interpretation. I'd also say greater magic fang would work. But once again, it might not work on both. And, obviously, as an enhancement bonus it wouldn't 'stack' with the enhancement bonus already on the battlefist. </p><p></p><p>A monk gets the additional special effect of allowing the battlefist as a monk weapon, and also getting his monk damage die increased by one catagory.</p><p></p><p>Improved natural attack won't stack with the magical effect of the battlefist either. Improved natural attack makes the attack as if it were made by a creature one size catagory larger. The battlefist makes the attack as if it were made by a creature one size catagory larger. Therefore if you have both, you make the attack as if you were ONE size catagory larger (not two).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2423915, member: 17296"] The Battlefist is a special item. It specifically 'breaks' certain rules... or rather, it doesn't break the rules so much as it has multiple effects. OK... it's a +1 weapon. It says that so it indeed IS a weapon, and therefore you can use it as a weapon doing the damage it states, and it gets multiple attacks from a higher BAB. But that's not ALL it does. It also enhances the warforged natural attacks. When it's doing this instead of being a weapon, the attack is a natural attack (and no additional attacks due to BAB). Note that the warforged's natrual attacks are 'slam' attacks, and a slam attack could just as easily come from his shoulders as his fist. So this is a relatively powerful enchantment (And all for only 2K! A very good deal). But that's not all! You can indeed align a battlefist, as it's a weapon. It also improves the natural attacks... true. Now, will this 'align weapon' also align their natural attacks? I'm tempted to say yes, but it could easily be no too, depending on interpretation. I'd also say greater magic fang would work. But once again, it might not work on both. And, obviously, as an enhancement bonus it wouldn't 'stack' with the enhancement bonus already on the battlefist. A monk gets the additional special effect of allowing the battlefist as a monk weapon, and also getting his monk damage die increased by one catagory. Improved natural attack won't stack with the magical effect of the battlefist either. Improved natural attack makes the attack as if it were made by a creature one size catagory larger. The battlefist makes the attack as if it were made by a creature one size catagory larger. Therefore if you have both, you make the attack as if you were ONE size catagory larger (not two). [/QUOTE]
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