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<blockquote data-quote="Klaus" data-source="post: 2741718" data-attributes="member: 607">I don't find them particularly overpowered (at least not when compared to, say, a dwarf).For comparison's sake, here are three PCs from my Eberron campaign:GuardianMale&nbsp; Personality Warforged Pal2Medium Construct (Living Construct)HD 2d10+6(Paladin) ; hp 22Init +0; Speed 20 ft. (4 squares)AC:19 (Flatfooted:19, Touch:10; +8 Adamantine Body, +1 buckler*);Base Attack/Grapple: +2/+5Attack:&nbsp; &nbsp; Greatsword +5 melee (2d6+4, 19-20);&nbsp; &nbsp; Longbow +2 ranged (1d8, x3)&nbsp; &nbsp; Longspear +5 melee (1d8+4)&nbsp; &nbsp; Morningstar +5 melee (1d8+3)&nbsp; &nbsp; Slam +5 melee (1d4+4)Special Attacks: Smite Evil/Construct 1x/day (+1 attack, +2 damage).Special Qualities: DR 2/adamantine, no natural healing; vulnerability to chill metal, heat metal, repel metal or stone, repel wood, rusting grasp; light fortification (25% chance of negating sneak attack or critical hit); Aura of Good, Detect Evil at will, Durable Will (Con modifier adds to Will save)Immunities: Poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, fatigue, exhaustion, nausea.AL LG; Saves Fort +6, Ref +0, Will +3STR 16, DEX 10, CON 17, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 12.Skill&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mod&nbsp; &nbsp; ranks&nbsp; &nbsp; ability&nbsp; &nbsp; misc.Craft (Armorsmithing)&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 masterwork toolsKnowledge (Nob&amp;Royal)&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +0Knowledge (Religion)&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; +0Listen&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +0Ride&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +0Search&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +0Spot&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +0Feat:Adamantine Body.Possessions: Greatsword, Longbow, Arrows (20), Morningstar, Longspear, Buckler, Masterwork Armorsmith`s tools, Backpack; Silver Holy symbol, 3gp.Action Points: 6Soranda MoonhuntFemale Shifter (Razorclaw) Druid1Medium Humanoid (Shapechanger)HD 1d8+1(Druid) ; hp 9Init +5; Speed 30 ft. (6 squares)AC:15 (Flatfooted:12, Touch:13; +3 Dex, +2 leather);Base Attack/Grapple: +0/+2 [+2]Attack:&nbsp; &nbsp; Scimitar +2 melee (1d8+3, 18-20);*&nbsp; &nbsp; Sling +3 ranged (1d4+2);&nbsp; &nbsp; [Scimitar +3 melee (1d8+4, 18-20)];*&nbsp; &nbsp; [2 claws +3 melee (1d4+3];&nbsp; &nbsp; [Scimitar +1 melee (1d8+3, 18-20) and claw +1 melee (1d4+1)]* - Soranda wields her scimitar two-handed.Special Attacks: Spells, shifting (1/day, duration 7 rounds).Special Qualities: Beast spirit, low-light vision, nature sense, wild empathy +1 (+5).AL NG; Saves Fort +1, Ref +2, Will +2STR 14 [16], DEX 16, CON 12, INT 10, WIS 15, CHA 10.Skill&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mod&nbsp; &nbsp; ranks&nbsp; &nbsp; ability&nbsp; &nbsp; misc.Balance&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 racialClimb&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +5 [+6]&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 [+3]&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 racialConcentration&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +1Handle Animal&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; +4 w/ beast spiritHeal&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +2Hide&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +3Jump&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +5 [+6]&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 [+3]&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 racialKnowledge (Ntr)&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 w/ nature senseListen&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 w/ Alertness, +1 w/ Shifter InstinctsMove Silently&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +3Sense Motive&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +1 w Shifter InstinctsSpot&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 w/ Alertness, +1 w/ Shifter InstinctsSurvival&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 w/ nature senseSwim&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4 [+5]&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 [+3] Feat:Alertness (b)Shifter InstinctsPossessions: Leather armor, scimitar, sling, holy symbol (mistletoe), backpack, rope, flint and steel, 5gp.Spells Prepared 3/2Shifting: +2 Strength, 2 Claws (1d4 damage)Action Points: 5Drago VedeninMale Human Artificer1Medium HumanoidHD 1d6+1(Artificer) ; hp 7Init +2; Speed 30 ft. (6 squares)AC:16 (Flatfooted:14, Touch:12; +2 Dex, +3 studded leather, +1 buckler*);Base Attack/Grapple: +0/+0Attack:&nbsp; &nbsp; Light crossbow +2 ranged (1d8, 19-20);&nbsp; &nbsp; Light mace +0 melee (1d6)&nbsp; &nbsp; Longspear +0 melee (1d8)Special Attacks: Infusions.Special Qualities: Artificer knowledge +4, artisan bonus, disable trap, item creation.AL NG; Saves Fort +1, Ref +2, Will +2STR 11, DEX 14, CON 13, INT 16, WIS 10, CHA 14.Skill&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mod&nbsp; &nbsp; ranks&nbsp; &nbsp; ability&nbsp; &nbsp; misc.Appraise&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; Concentration&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; Craft (Alchemy)&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; -2 (no tools)Craft (Wpnsmth)&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Disable Device&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Knowledge (Arc)&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3Listen&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0Open Lock&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; Search&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3Spellcraft&nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3Spot&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0Use Mgc Device&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; +2 w/ scrolls FeatPoint Blank Shot (+1 to hit and damage up to 30 feet)Precise Shot (no penalty at firing into melee)Scribe Scroll (b)Possessions: Studded leather armor, buckler, light crossbow, crossbow bolts (10), longspear, light mace, alchemist’s fire, acid (2), weaponsmith’s tools, thief’s tools, backpack, bedroll, waterskin, 2 gp.Infusions Known: 3Craft Reserve: 20Action Points: 5Even though he's one level above the other two ('cause the character will enter the party by the time the other two are 2nd level), Guardian really suffers, skill-point-wise. Most of his abilities are defensive in nature, and his stats are far more average than the other two (all with 32 point-buy).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Klaus, post: 2741718, member: 607"] I don't find them particularly overpowered (at least not when compared to, say, a dwarf). For comparison's sake, here are three PCs from my Eberron campaign: Guardian Male Personality Warforged Pal2 Medium Construct (Living Construct) HD 2d10+6(Paladin) ; hp 22 Init +0; Speed 20 ft. (4 squares) AC:19 (Flatfooted:19, Touch:10; +8 Adamantine Body, +1 buckler*); Base Attack/Grapple: +2/+5 Attack: Greatsword +5 melee (2d6+4, 19-20); Longbow +2 ranged (1d8, x3) Longspear +5 melee (1d8+4) Morningstar +5 melee (1d8+3) Slam +5 melee (1d4+4) Special Attacks: Smite Evil/Construct 1x/day (+1 attack, +2 damage). Special Qualities: DR 2/adamantine, no natural healing; vulnerability to chill metal, heat metal, repel metal or stone, repel wood, rusting grasp; light fortification (25% chance of negating sneak attack or critical hit); Aura of Good, Detect Evil at will, Durable Will (Con modifier adds to Will save) Immunities: Poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, fatigue, exhaustion, nausea. AL LG; Saves Fort +6, Ref +0, Will +3 STR 16, DEX 10, CON 17, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 12. Skill mod ranks ability misc. Craft (Armorsmithing) +7 5 +0 +2 masterwork tools Knowledge (Nob&Royal) +1 1 +0 Knowledge (Religion) +2 2 +0 Listen +0 0 +0 Ride +1 1 +0 Search +0 0 +0 Spot +0 0 +0 Feat: Adamantine Body. Possessions: Greatsword, Longbow, Arrows (20), Morningstar, Longspear, Buckler, Masterwork Armorsmith`s tools, Backpack; Silver Holy symbol, 3gp. Action Points: 6 Soranda Moonhunt Female Shifter (Razorclaw) Druid1 Medium Humanoid (Shapechanger) HD 1d8+1(Druid) ; hp 9 Init +5; Speed 30 ft. (6 squares) AC:15 (Flatfooted:12, Touch:13; +3 Dex, +2 leather); Base Attack/Grapple: +0/+2 [+2] Attack: Scimitar +2 melee (1d8+3, 18-20);* Sling +3 ranged (1d4+2); [Scimitar +3 melee (1d8+4, 18-20)];* [2 claws +3 melee (1d4+3]; [Scimitar +1 melee (1d8+3, 18-20) and claw +1 melee (1d4+1)] * - Soranda wields her scimitar two-handed. Special Attacks: Spells, shifting (1/day, duration 7 rounds). Special Qualities: Beast spirit, low-light vision, nature sense, wild empathy +1 (+5). AL NG; Saves Fort +1, Ref +2, Will +2 STR 14 [16], DEX 16, CON 12, INT 10, WIS 15, CHA 10. Skill mod ranks ability misc. Balance +6 1 +3 +2 racial Climb +5 [+6] 1 +2 [+3] +2 racial Concentration +2 1 +1 Handle Animal +5 1 +0 +4 w/ beast spirit Heal +3 1 +2 Hide +3 0 +3 Jump +5 [+6] 0 +2 [+3] +2 racial Knowledge (Ntr) +3 1 +0 +2 w/ nature sense Listen +8 3 +2 +2 w/ Alertness, +1 w/ Shifter Instincts Move Silently +3 0 +3 Sense Motive +3 0 +2 +1 w Shifter Instincts Spot +8 3 +2 +2 w/ Alertness, +1 w/ Shifter Instincts Survival +6 2 +2 +2 w/ nature sense Swim +4 [+5] 2 +2 [+3] Feat: Alertness (b) Shifter Instincts Possessions: Leather armor, scimitar, sling, holy symbol (mistletoe), backpack, rope, flint and steel, 5gp. Spells Prepared 3/2 Shifting: +2 Strength, 2 Claws (1d4 damage) Action Points: 5 Drago Vedenin Male Human Artificer1 Medium Humanoid HD 1d6+1(Artificer) ; hp 7 Init +2; Speed 30 ft. (6 squares) AC:16 (Flatfooted:14, Touch:12; +2 Dex, +3 studded leather, +1 buckler*); Base Attack/Grapple: +0/+0 Attack: Light crossbow +2 ranged (1d8, 19-20); Light mace +0 melee (1d6) Longspear +0 melee (1d8) Special Attacks: Infusions. Special Qualities: Artificer knowledge +4, artisan bonus, disable trap, item creation. AL NG; Saves Fort +1, Ref +2, Will +2 STR 11, DEX 14, CON 13, INT 16, WIS 10, CHA 14. Skill mod ranks ability misc. Appraise +4 1 +3 Concentration +2 1 +1 Craft (Alchemy) +3 2 +3 -2 (no tools) Craft (Wpnsmth) +7 4 +3 Disable Device +7 4 +3 Knowledge (Arc) +7 4 +3 Listen +0 0 Open Lock +6 4 +2 Search +7 4 +3 Spellcraft +7 4 +3 Spot +0 0 Use Mgc Device +6 4 +2 +2 w/ scrolls Feat Point Blank Shot (+1 to hit and damage up to 30 feet) Precise Shot (no penalty at firing into melee) Scribe Scroll (b) Possessions: Studded leather armor, buckler, light crossbow, crossbow bolts (10), longspear, light mace, alchemist’s fire, acid (2), weaponsmith’s tools, thief’s tools, backpack, bedroll, waterskin, 2 gp. Infusions Known: 3 Craft Reserve: 20 Action Points: 5 Even though he's one level above the other two ('cause the character will enter the party by the time the other two are 2nd level), Guardian really suffers, skill-point-wise. Most of his abilities are defensive in nature, and his stats are far more average than the other two (all with 32 point-buy). [/QUOTE]

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