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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Creeping Death" data-source="post: 2742239" data-attributes="member: 253">One way to challenge a warforged is make sure that penalties for armor actually count.  A second level character is very ineffective with a -20-something modifier to his swim check.  I'm in a game where my character with banded mail and steel tower shield has a -26 penalty to swim.  Had to fight a water elemental in a flooded room, kept failing my swim check so I could only take a 5 ft step.  Also I could not fight because I kept failing my swim check.  Heavy armor hurts climbing.  It also prevents (severly hampers) sneaking, jumping, and several other skills.Keep track of weight.  Adamantine is heavy.  Do you think he's going to be fighting and charging across a rickety old rope bridge if he weight 400 to 500 lbs?  Old run down house with rotted wooden floors.  How much weight will it withstand before it collapses.You don't have to do this all the time, but adding some of these elements will do a few things.  One, it will challenge him.  Two, it will allow others to shine in combat.  Three, it will show that certain things can and will have mechanical drawbacks, such as weight and noise.If you keep these things in mind, the ECL +0 is fine.</blockquote>