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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hawking" data-source="post: 3910285" data-attributes="member: 42738">The simple way:Start with an empty vessel.From what I can tell, and my own judgement, an empty vessel has the same CR of an equivalent human. Their benefits don't seem like they'd bump that up anything significantly.Add Class Levels:Seems the empty vessels have all the class levels and stuff, pre-possessed.Add Quori (Dual Spirit):Replace Mental scores if better. Add charisma bonus. Add skill ranks. Add Psi-like abilities. Add Dual Mind.That should be it. That statement about tsoreva inspired I think is a trend, not a rule. No physical ability scores are changed, but tsoreva's abilities seem to favor melee combatants, so most of their vessels would be psychic warriors.Now about CR. I think the tsucora inspired from the ECS and the tsoreva inspired from MoE have the CR modification from the quori, not from the vessel. And I bet most of that is from the psi-like abilities (and the manifester level for them). The increased ability scores probably didn't change the important stats for them all that much. If it were a wilder, I'd maybe consider bumping the CR up another notch, due to the bonus.The Dream Master Inspired most likely has the higher CR adjustment due to its more powerful psi-like abilities and higher manifester level for them, especially considering a few of them are at will. The quori in Secrets of Sarlona are another story. The du'ulora seems to have a +1 CR trend in the NPCs but the others might be more. That is, if you can find an NPC with that high of a charisma of course.</blockquote>

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