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<blockquote data-quote="Hamburger Mary" data-source="post: 1478764" data-attributes="member: 17363"><p>I've been seeing it as a discussion as opposed to an argument - everything's been perfectly civil, and I'm only continuing it because I'm actually interested in the discussion. So on that note, two more things:</p><p>1. Rounser, you never actually addressed my question of *how* five minutes of invisibility makes someone a master criminal - you just said that you felt that it would. I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer to this. Again, without the skill to penetrate a lock and without the time for long-term eavesdropping or waiting for someone to open a critical door, how does a few minutes of invisibility change the world?</p><p></p><p>2. The big issue here is that you (seem to) feel that once you start exploring you have to continue to the bitter end. I don't. Yes, the electric light had a tremendous amount of social implications. However, I'm perfectly happy to say "Major cities in Eberron use continual flame instead of torches" without stopping to say "now wait a second... what does that mean?" Being perfectly honest, do you think that most DMs really consider the effect that the ABSENCE of reliable lighting should be having on their lower-magic settings? Looking at my own campaign, I have to say that I haven't; suddenly having a reliable lightsource makes the world I have been running seem more realistic than it did before. </p><p></p><p>But basically, I *can* stop halfway. I can say "It makes sense to me that if there are spellcasters that can cast prestidigitation, you'll find them running inns and laundry services" and let it go there. I don't feel the obligation to say "But wait! Then why hasn't..." If you do, then I'm certain that Eberron will disappoint you. Heck, it's only a 320-page book, and I'm sure the social impact of prestidigitation alone could take 15 pages of discussion. It won't bother me if that isn't explored; I'd rather have 15 pages of interesting countries or monsters. But I'd still be happy to see the amazing social value of prestidigitation acknowledged in <em>some</em> way!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hamburger Mary, post: 1478764, member: 17363"] I've been seeing it as a discussion as opposed to an argument - everything's been perfectly civil, and I'm only continuing it because I'm actually interested in the discussion. So on that note, two more things: 1. Rounser, you never actually addressed my question of *how* five minutes of invisibility makes someone a master criminal - you just said that you felt that it would. I honestly would be interested in hearing the answer to this. Again, without the skill to penetrate a lock and without the time for long-term eavesdropping or waiting for someone to open a critical door, how does a few minutes of invisibility change the world? 2. The big issue here is that you (seem to) feel that once you start exploring you have to continue to the bitter end. I don't. Yes, the electric light had a tremendous amount of social implications. However, I'm perfectly happy to say "Major cities in Eberron use continual flame instead of torches" without stopping to say "now wait a second... what does that mean?" Being perfectly honest, do you think that most DMs really consider the effect that the ABSENCE of reliable lighting should be having on their lower-magic settings? Looking at my own campaign, I have to say that I haven't; suddenly having a reliable lightsource makes the world I have been running seem more realistic than it did before. But basically, I *can* stop halfway. I can say "It makes sense to me that if there are spellcasters that can cast prestidigitation, you'll find them running inns and laundry services" and let it go there. I don't feel the obligation to say "But wait! Then why hasn't..." If you do, then I'm certain that Eberron will disappoint you. Heck, it's only a 320-page book, and I'm sure the social impact of prestidigitation alone could take 15 pages of discussion. It won't bother me if that isn't explored; I'd rather have 15 pages of interesting countries or monsters. But I'd still be happy to see the amazing social value of prestidigitation acknowledged in [i]some[/i] way! [/QUOTE]
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