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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3440108" data-attributes="member: 957">MehI agree that "steam punk" is certainly the wrong term.  But it is easy enough for someone to mistake magi-tech for steam punk if they aren't really in to either.  "[magic] provides certain comforts and conveniences unknown in either the modern world or any other world of medieval fantasy." [page 7]  "Magic is industry across the face of Eberron." [page 8]  "Magic and the arcane arts allow for effects that in some ways mimic technological marvels..." [page 8].  And numerous other places that don't use as few words, but explicitely describe magical analogs to modern, or at least 19th - 20th century technological advances.  It is right there in the book.And as far as robots, I think it is vastly more nit-picky to try to claim that they are not than it is to say that they are.  They are metal-men.  Call then the Tin Man, androids, robots, whatever.  They are still metal men and if you walk up to a random person on the street and describe your warforged character they are going to think "robot."I wouldn't mind warforged (that much) if they were just simply constructs.  But I loathe the entire living construct concept.  It is like they picked the concept and then tore it apart by shoe-horning a Con and other concepts back in just to make the ECL +0.  To steal Psion's line, it is a case of the rules using the game to force-fit an idea.But even with that, I've never been interested in sentient metal men.  There were better ideas for that concept already out well before Eberron and I never used them for even a lonely (Lt Cmdr Data / I'm the only one) character, much less a whole race.  And really, all the new races seem quite counter productive to me.  I mean, they proclaim that Eberron supports more espionage and the Changeling clearly calls out to play the faceman/spy role.  But crap, in a world full of facechangers the idea of spys is not enhanced.  Hell, now it is mundane and everyone has a dozen at the ready.  yawn......I'm perfectly fine with shifting away from Tolkien influence.  I don't mind keeping it, but I've got no attachment.  But if you are going to toss aside your copy of LotR only to replace it with the lastest copy of X-Men comics, then you are moving in the wrong direction, AFAIAC.  And all four new core races do exactly that.And I don't buy that Eberron in any way is more cinematic than any other D&D game.  And I don't believe that any Eberron fan out there can in full honesty claim that the day before they heard of Eberron that they had a problem with D&D because it could not do Indiana Jones.  I didn't have trouble with that before and I don't have trouble with it in my non-Eberron games now.And lastly (for now), it seems that virtually everything that makes Eberron BE Eberron is a restriction.  These monsters are from over there.  This race has this background.  It is all scripted.  And yes, I understand 100% that I am free to revise anything and everything to fit my preference.  But if I'm doing that then what is the point of Eberron again?</blockquote>

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