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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oni" data-source="post: 1183498" data-attributes="member: 380">I know you've covered this, I read it the first time.  If your going to quote someone you shouldn't hack up their sentences.  "This movie, strewn with blood, bones, rats, fetishes and severed limbs, photographed in murky darkness, scored with screams, wants to be a test: Can you sit through it?"  Thats not chiding it for violence, that's chiding it for being hard to sit through.  Not once in his review of Texas Chainsaw Massacre did Ebert say it was too violent or bloody, only comment on the fact that those are present in the movie.     Kill Bill might very well be geeky, but I rather doubt that is what Ebert is talking about.  Geek show, like a carnival sideshow where some inbred hick shoves chickens in his mouth and nails up his nose.  Ebert's complaint with TCM doesn't lie with the blood and severed limbs, if that were the case I doubt his review of Kill Bill would have been much better, as he explained rather thoroughly it wasn't the elements, it was how they were used.  Nice little straw man you set up at the end there.  The fact that both draw from previous sources isn't what is at issue here, rather it's presentation.  Your seeing hyprocisy here because you want to not because it exist.  You are, of course, entitled to your opinions and Ebert is, of course, entitled to his.  Neither of them are particularly hypocritical which is what I was trying to get at.  Personally I think critics are a better barometer of such things and here is why.  Critics opinions are based on having seen the movie.  Box office numbers are different though.  They're based on, in most cases, people that haven't seen the movie yet, they may have some idea what their getting into, but ultimately they don't know whether they're going to like it or not until they actually see it.</blockquote>

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