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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 1183559" data-attributes="member: 3570">I think its clear the "can you sit through it" is referring to the macabre elements that he prefaced the question with.  The same elements (save for rats) which were prevalent in Kill Bill.   You're the second person who's brought this up, I'm not familiar with "geek show" as referencing the material you mention.  A quick Google search of "geek show," "geek show freaks," and "geek show carnival" pulls up no mention of anything other than geeks in the nerdy sense.Nevertheless, if that is what Ebert was referring to, I withdraw my previous statements about that particular passage being ridiculous in light of the geeky elements in KB.But it isn't as clear cut as that, since the way the violence was used in each film overlapped the other so strongly.  You can't discount that both films used the carnage as direct and literal references to sequences of mayhem in cult 70's films.Then you look at what each film brought to the table in its execution of the homage and the source of the homage itself.  This is where Roger and I, (and ENWorld and I), disagree.  *I* think its hypocritical to complain that TCM was vile, brutal, and ugly when KB was all that and more, and then cite a laundry list of KB elements (blood, severed limbs, fetishes, what have you) as things difficult to sit through in and of themselves.But you disagree.  Good for you.  I realize that Roger doesn't consider his opinion to be hypocritical because he doesn't think murder, rape, and revenge are ugly and brutal as long as they're in the context of a cheery cheezefest like KB.  I do.  Hence the hypocrisy.TCM is a straight good vs. evil fight.  Hell Jessica Biel even has a white freaking hat in the beginning.  And she doesn't stop being good.  Where's the "good" in KB?  Uma?  Not hardly.  But TCM gets raked over the coals for being cynical and venomous?  Yeah right.Ha I just realized another bit of hypocrisy on Ebert's part.  He complains that TCM doesn't give as much exposition on who Leatherface's family is compared to the original, while neglecting that KB doesn't give half the exposition Uma's character gets in the *trailer* for KB.  "I was on his team, everything was great, until I wanted out" or whatever she says in the ads.  In the movie its "Bill its your baby BLAM."  Then she wakes up and starts killing everyone responsible with no further explanation for Bill's motives other than he might have thought she got pregnant by another guy.  Another nice call Roger.For opening weekends definitely.  TCM's opening crushed KB's but that only means that TCM had the better trailer.  We'll see next weekend how TCM's word of mouth compares to KB's.</blockquote>

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