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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 635821" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>Yup. In regards to templates with low ECL modifiers, say if its only +1 or +2, it's not such a big deal (but still worth taking into account). Anything larger is not only unfair, but also unbalancing from a party level standpoint. Say you have a party (four people) of 4th level characters. The average party level is 4. If one of those party members gets a template or race change with a +6 ECL modifier, then everything gets knocked outta whack if you decide to charge them the level difference and treat them as a 10th level character. Even with three 4th level characters and one 10th level character, they're average party level is only raised up to a 5 (5.5 to be exact). So, you have to raise the difficulty of encounters to challenge them. The problem is that you can't properly challenge the 10th level player and the 4th level players at the same time. Throw a EL10 encounter at the party and there's a really good chance that the 4th level players will be overwhelmed, if not outright killed. Lower the difficulty to an EL5 or 6, to properly challenge the 4th level players, and the 10th level player will just walk through it without a problem.</p><p></p><p>If you don't charge for the ECL mod, then the only thing that changes is that the character with the template (or whatever) will level just as fast as he was leveling before, but you still have to face the problems previously mentioned anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 635821, member: 2829"] Yup. In regards to templates with low ECL modifiers, say if its only +1 or +2, it's not such a big deal (but still worth taking into account). Anything larger is not only unfair, but also unbalancing from a party level standpoint. Say you have a party (four people) of 4th level characters. The average party level is 4. If one of those party members gets a template or race change with a +6 ECL modifier, then everything gets knocked outta whack if you decide to charge them the level difference and treat them as a 10th level character. Even with three 4th level characters and one 10th level character, they're average party level is only raised up to a 5 (5.5 to be exact). So, you have to raise the difficulty of encounters to challenge them. The problem is that you can't properly challenge the 10th level player and the 4th level players at the same time. Throw a EL10 encounter at the party and there's a really good chance that the 4th level players will be overwhelmed, if not outright killed. Lower the difficulty to an EL5 or 6, to properly challenge the 4th level players, and the 10th level player will just walk through it without a problem. If you don't charge for the ECL mod, then the only thing that changes is that the character with the template (or whatever) will level just as fast as he was leveling before, but you still have to face the problems previously mentioned anyway. [/QUOTE]
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