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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 636452" data-attributes="member: 2829">The math wasn't the point.The point is that no matter what, whether you enforce the ECL modifier or not, you're going to face the exact same problem, which is that the player with the ECL template (or whatever) is going to be more powerful than everyone else.I am. What about them? He got 6 levels worth of junk right now, so why should he be complaining?Right, so don't hand out the template unless you're prepared for it. If you've planned for it, go right ahead.Think about how much resentment you'll end up with when you don't penalize that player at all for taking the Paragon template. Eventually, someone will freak when he levels along with the rest of the party. So, I ask, which one is worse? Making the player catch up or giving it out for free while the other players get nothing?Greater arfiacts tend to be DM tools anyway, mostly as plot devices. They only work when, how, why, and if the DM wishes it. There are no rules behind artifacts that players can depend on. They aren't gear. They aren't treasure. They aren't equipment. They aren't spoils of war. They aren't tools to be used by the players. They're for the DM, not the player.Apparently, it happens a lot. If I had a nickel for every time this discussion was brought up on these and other boards...well, you get the idea. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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