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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Axiomatic Unicorn" data-source="post: 170970" data-attributes="member: 1974">Upset?  This is fun.  Though I really disagree that he cleared it up.  To me the quotes you gave were a big sign that said, "We were still working on it when I left.  Here is a tiny piece as I last saw it."The comment regarding "bits in the MM and in the DMG" does not even mention FRCS.  Being as the concept of ECL does not appear in either of these references, this strikes me as a sign of a significant re-thinking of the approach.But seriously, I don't come to these boards in my free time to get my blood pressure up.  I'll argue aggressively, but I am having FUN!!!Certainly.  And in the end I think the establishment of a balanced ECL for given monsters will be a much bigger challenge and source of controversy.I don't even think that there is a balance concern regarding the two sides of this debate.  I never claimed that using HD would lead to a bad situation.  I just am competely convinced it is technically incorrect based on the most recent available published data.   Obviously that is now yesterday's news.Me too.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>