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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Robillard" data-source="post: 1137714" data-attributes="member: 14433">I am making a Pixie character for a new campaign and the level adjustment is plus four, with one hit die of fey being converted into the first level of the character class, the ECL is 4 total.  We are starting out with 7th level characters so I can choose up to three levels of classes.  The question comes in the form of how many starting feats and ability points for level advancement do I get?  The Dm thinks that it would be as a 3rd level character, since I am choosing sorcerer that would be one feat for first level and one for third level and no ability score modifications.  We looked in the DMG under ECL, which has very limited information on ECL considering that 3.5 was supposed to clear things up, and on page 209 it gives an example of a character, a bugbear (3 hit dice and a +2 level adjustment) that is also a 14th level fighter/3rd level blackguard is ECL 22 and thus gains an epic attack and save bonus.  The only way this character can get an epic level attack and save bonus is if you count the whole ECL in the equation, thus effectively making him a 22nd level character gaining the feats, saves and attack bonuses of a 22nd level character.    If you don't add in the +2 level adjustment or even the 3 hit dice the character would only be either 19th or 20th level, thus ineligible for epic level saves and bonuses.  My DM, who is sitting over my shoulder as I type this so he is interested in the answer as well, thinks that cause it makes no mention of the one epic level feat that you would get (table 6-19, page 206) for 21st level means that you would not get anything for the ECL and only feats and ability modifications for the 3rd level portion of my character.  I however think that since the ECL would be 7 I should get 3 feats and one ability score increase.    We are both more than curious about the response, please give input.</blockquote>

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