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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 78932" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>Greetings</p><p></p><p>Some background: this is a 2nd ed campain converted to 3e. The centaur, a ranger, went from level 9 to level 4 (ECL 5). The other party members were level 9 bard, level 10 necromancer and fighter/mage level 6/5.</p><p></p><p>After playing an adventure, here is what we noticed:</p><p></p><p>The centaur is a high speed tank! While he doesn't have reach as a ogre, he is very, very fast. His strenght bonus is almost as good, he has a great con (+4), much better AC (better dex) and he can make devastating charges. Using his hooves and his ranger 2 weapon fighting abilities, he could land a whooping 5 attacks per round. His high strenght made up for the -5 attack penalties on the hooves. The high mobility, dex and strengh also make him a very, very dangerous archer. He completely outfought the fighter/mage.</p><p></p><p>It wasn't clear to us if a centaur could use large weapons one handed, so I compromised and allowed him to keep using his bastard sword one handed without an exotic weapon proficiency. However, he couldn't use large weapons one handed. By the letter of the rule he could, but I thought it didn't make much sense.</p><p></p><p>Due to his high wisdom and centaur skills, this PC was also quite good at being a ranger, although probably not as much as a human ranger of the same level.</p><p></p><p>The centaur had great saves... with improved con, dex and wisdom being a factor, and the good saves a centaur gets (I think they have good will).</p><p></p><p>Disadvantage of being a centaur: yes, stairs and tunels are a pain. The player (in the 2nd ed game) traded a rather powerfull item (I think it was a ring of protection +2) for a ring that casted reduce 4 times per day to partialy resolve this problem. On the other hand, he is extremely hard to trip.</p><p></p><p>Conclusion: The old ECL of a centaur of 5 is much too low. I think the new value of 7 is closer to the mark. I would argue that a centaur is better than a ogre... therefore, either the new centaur ECL is too low, or the ogre one is too high.</p><p></p><p>In the game, the player asked (and I granted it) to be "converted" to a human, since he felt he was too much of a tank and not enough of a ranger. We're going to try the WoT woodsman instead of the ranger, but that is another story!</p><p></p><p>Ancalagon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 78932, member: 23"] Greetings Some background: this is a 2nd ed campain converted to 3e. The centaur, a ranger, went from level 9 to level 4 (ECL 5). The other party members were level 9 bard, level 10 necromancer and fighter/mage level 6/5. After playing an adventure, here is what we noticed: The centaur is a high speed tank! While he doesn't have reach as a ogre, he is very, very fast. His strenght bonus is almost as good, he has a great con (+4), much better AC (better dex) and he can make devastating charges. Using his hooves and his ranger 2 weapon fighting abilities, he could land a whooping 5 attacks per round. His high strenght made up for the -5 attack penalties on the hooves. The high mobility, dex and strengh also make him a very, very dangerous archer. He completely outfought the fighter/mage. It wasn't clear to us if a centaur could use large weapons one handed, so I compromised and allowed him to keep using his bastard sword one handed without an exotic weapon proficiency. However, he couldn't use large weapons one handed. By the letter of the rule he could, but I thought it didn't make much sense. Due to his high wisdom and centaur skills, this PC was also quite good at being a ranger, although probably not as much as a human ranger of the same level. The centaur had great saves... with improved con, dex and wisdom being a factor, and the good saves a centaur gets (I think they have good will). Disadvantage of being a centaur: yes, stairs and tunels are a pain. The player (in the 2nd ed game) traded a rather powerfull item (I think it was a ring of protection +2) for a ring that casted reduce 4 times per day to partialy resolve this problem. On the other hand, he is extremely hard to trip. Conclusion: The old ECL of a centaur of 5 is much too low. I think the new value of 7 is closer to the mark. I would argue that a centaur is better than a ogre... therefore, either the new centaur ECL is too low, or the ogre one is too high. In the game, the player asked (and I granted it) to be "converted" to a human, since he felt he was too much of a tank and not enough of a ranger. We're going to try the WoT woodsman instead of the ranger, but that is another story! Ancalagon [/QUOTE]
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