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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 79317" data-attributes="member: 834">And I agree with you.  In fact, if I compare a centaur to an ogre, the exemple I know best, I feel the Centaur should be ECL 8.Let's compare;Both have 4 HD.Centaur are L, 5X10/5 feet reach.  Ogre are L, 5X5/10 feet reach.  There are advantages to be 4 legged, but overall ogre win.Centaur has +2 natural armor VS an Ogre's +5.  But the centaur has a 6 point edge in dexterity...Monstrous humanoid have 2 strong save (Will and Reflex) instead of just one for giants (Fortitude).  Centaur win.Speed:  Whoopdidoo!  The centaur has a base speed of 50.  He wins.Abilities:  The Ogre has a 2 point lead in strenght but the centaur has a 6(!) point edge in dexterity.  Both have same constitution.  But the Centaur has a vast advantage in mental stats; -2 intelligence, +2 wisdom VS -4 intelligence and -4 in charismaTrue, mental stats are not nearly as useful as physical ones for fighting classes.  Still, +2 to wis is sweet as it increase will saves, the traditional weakness.  Centaur wins.Skills:  The centaur is a monstrous humanoid which gives him a lot more skill than a giant.  Centaur wins.The centaur wins on a lot of points.  Still, the natural reach of the ogre is a powerful advantage.  Because of this I think they are more or less evenly matched.  But I'd have to include a centaur fighter in my campaign it to compare it to Ghorgor to make sure...   And I don't think I can't do that!  My campaign is crowded enough as it is.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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