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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chilibean" data-source="post: 84113" data-attributes="member: 2220"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Proved?  Really?Perhaps the following minor oversights can be explained:How do both get +5 ability points when one is 8 levels lower than the other?How does a suit of full plate barding fit on a centaur?  That's a nice pretty bare chest you have there ... or does the Walmart magic item shop carry those nice fully articulated mithril full plate centaur armors at no extra charge?  I'll take some large fries with that also.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> How does a centaur wearing full plate get a +3 bonus to AC from dex?  Is that some special barding thing?How does a large creature avoid the -1 to AC from size?How does the centaur get an extra attack from sources other than BAB?It's also kinda funny how the 4 extra feats don't seem to add any real value to the human in this wonderful proof.Also, it's so easy to overlook how stupid the centaur looks the first time it's confronted with a trap door at the top of a ladder when exploring a dungeon.  Or when it needs to climb a rope.Or when the wizard is overweight for the teleport because the centaur weighs half a ton and the centaur gets left behind when the party has to evacuate quickly.Or when the centaur has to carry 4 times the food everyone else does.Or all the extra money he wasted during his whole career because he could never resell his old suit of armor when he upgraded (or perhaps the market for centaur armor is better than I imagine and it's easy to recoop your investment).If you min/max the example properly, you can probably make the centaur technically able to fight as well as a fighter 8 levels higher.  After watching some of the smackdowns on this board I no longer doubt that it can be arranged so.  But in every normal campaign I've ever seen, the centaur would be at a huge disadvantage.  Just making one up and being able to buy anything you like in the DMG is not a real example to me.  So feel free to min/max this example to death just to technically "prove" me wrong.  Whatever makes you happy.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></blockquote>

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