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<blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 84133" data-attributes="member: 2950">Normal campaign and centaur PC don't even belong in the same sentence. Obviously with a centaur there will be more outdoor adventures where speed and size are advantages just like foe hunters and undead specialists go after their favored enemies and ignore other adventure opportunities.Chilibean: If you paid attention you'd see that most of your points are in error. The only valid ones in the bunch are both got 5 points for levels when the centaur should only have 3 and the -1 AC modifier for size.The cost for the barding is already calculated, armor isn't discarded when it is upgraded. The centaur can carry a ton more than anyone else so weight of food isn't a consideration even though bags of holding are common at that level as are fly spells/items. A cheap potion of reduce would solve the teleport problem.Furthermore you even admit in your last paragraph the centaur can be the equal of ECL 0 character hence the orignal value of the ECL is correct.Originally posted by chilibean To me it's beyond arguing that a centaur fighter 12 would be completely outclassed by a human fighter 20. I used to think this meant that it was so obvious that the centaur and human were equal that is was pointless to argue otherwise which apparently was not your intended meaning.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Archer, post: 84133, member: 2950"] Normal campaign and centaur PC don't even belong in the same sentence. Obviously with a centaur there will be more outdoor adventures where speed and size are advantages just like foe hunters and undead specialists go after their favored enemies and ignore other adventure opportunities. Chilibean: If you paid attention you'd see that most of your points are in error. The only valid ones in the bunch are both got 5 points for levels when the centaur should only have 3 and the -1 AC modifier for size. The cost for the barding is already calculated, armor isn't discarded when it is upgraded. The centaur can carry a ton more than anyone else so weight of food isn't a consideration even though bags of holding are common at that level as are fly spells/items. A cheap potion of reduce would solve the teleport problem. Furthermore you even admit in your last paragraph the centaur can be the equal of ECL 0 character hence the orignal value of the ECL is correct. Originally posted by chilibean To me it's beyond arguing that a centaur fighter 12 would be completely outclassed by a human fighter 20. I used to think this meant that it was so obvious that the centaur and human were equal that is was pointless to argue otherwise which apparently was not your intended meaning. [/QUOTE]

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