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<blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 84160" data-attributes="member: 78">The centaur gets a +3 dex bonus because Mithral armor increases the max dex bonus by 2.&nbsp; Full Plate has a +1 max bonus so it would increase to +3.Being able to sell armor is of little value.&nbsp; Upgrading a magic item over various levels costs nothing extra over creating new items.&nbsp; Therefore, once the centaur gets the Mithral full plate, he could wear for the rest of his career.&nbsp; Since he has lots of starting gold, he could afford that item at the beginning of his career.Large creatures and mounts already have a cost penalty for custom armors.&nbsp; The centaur has +12 base from fighter levels, another +4 base from centaur HD, and a speed weapon.&nbsp; His 16 bab gives him attacks at +16/+11/+6/+1 with an extra attack at +16 before any other attack modifiers apply.Some the stats do seem to be in error, so the AC should be 30 instead of 31 and the HP should be 196.While the human does have more feats, at higher levels, characters often run out of good feats to take.&nbsp; Even so, we'll say that feats are giving the human about 10 - 15% extra efficiency.&nbsp; The centaur is still pretty close.While the centaur is hindered in enclosed environments, it's natural speed gives it an advantage in open areas.&nbsp; Large creatures can carry more weight, so having to carry more rations isn't that bad - if the character even needs rations at that point.&nbsp; While being large can be a drawback, it also provides advantages against grappling and such.A centaur Fighter 18 is in no way balanced with a human fighter 20.&nbsp; Even if we discount all stat, speed, natural armor, and size, the centaur is obviously better.&nbsp; It has 22 HD versus the human's 20!!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Victim, post: 84160, member: 78"] The centaur gets a +3 dex bonus because Mithral armor increases the max dex bonus by 2. Full Plate has a +1 max bonus so it would increase to +3. Being able to sell armor is of little value. Upgrading a magic item over various levels costs nothing extra over creating new items. Therefore, once the centaur gets the Mithral full plate, he could wear for the rest of his career. Since he has lots of starting gold, he could afford that item at the beginning of his career. Large creatures and mounts already have a cost penalty for custom armors. The centaur has +12 base from fighter levels, another +4 base from centaur HD, and a speed weapon. His 16 bab gives him attacks at +16/+11/+6/+1 with an extra attack at +16 before any other attack modifiers apply. Some the stats do seem to be in error, so the AC should be 30 instead of 31 and the HP should be 196. While the human does have more feats, at higher levels, characters often run out of good feats to take. Even so, we'll say that feats are giving the human about 10 - 15% extra efficiency. The centaur is still pretty close. While the centaur is hindered in enclosed environments, it's natural speed gives it an advantage in open areas. Large creatures can carry more weight, so having to carry more rations isn't that bad - if the character even needs rations at that point. While being large can be a drawback, it also provides advantages against grappling and such. A centaur Fighter 18 is in no way balanced with a human fighter 20. Even if we discount all stat, speed, natural armor, and size, the centaur is obviously better. It has 22 HD versus the human's 20!! [/QUOTE]

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