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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Luce" data-source="post: 2420358" data-attributes="member: 29760">In my experience the ELC are overprised. They do privide some unique oportunities for rp. But are ussualy too focust in sertain aspect. One of my players wanted to try a moon dog, in the role of front line figter( as presented in drg 313). I run the group trough Caludron series. His dismisal ability was useful I admit, but his attack were verrrrry weak. At 17l, you get BAB 9/4, STR +6, bite at 1d8, four feats. Good croud disperser, or against low will outsiders(which is to say only the low HD ones).I think one of the things some people forget when choosing to play La+X race is how many feats they are losing.  ECL3 looses at 2 feats(1&3), since taking  PC classes is like you are multiclasing. Lets take ogre for an example, For ECL8 you get 4HD, +10Str, +4Con, -2dex, -4int, -4char, BAB +3, 2 feats. You are giving(compared to human F8) ~ 7feats (the human will get feat at levels 1,1,1,2,3,4,6,6,8). With greater weapon specilisation, you are dealing only 1point less damage, (+4 vs, +5), have addisional attack, more hp(on avariage) and still 3feats more. From purely mechanical stand point, this does not look like a good bargain for the ogre. (A side note, even with greater reach, poor Dex means Combar Refl, is not too useful.)</blockquote>