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<blockquote data-quote="cignus_pfaccari" data-source="post: 2422663" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>As an addendum to what Tzarevitch said, it also depends on what the racial HD are, and how they'll benefit the character concept.</p><p></p><p>For example, Monstrous Humanoid is very good; Good BAB, Refl, and Will, and d8 HP. Outsider and Dragon are also quite good. However, Humanoid and Giant really aren't that great, with their middle BABs, and Fey is just plain out there. I mean, you can play an ogre fighter or barbarian just fine, but a redcap is just not going to be very effective in the long run, even with its +1 Str & Con/level.</p><p></p><p>In general, races with an ECL of mixed racial HD and LA are preferable to those with just LA; an anthropomorphic tiger and a half-dragon have an ECL of 3, but the tiger's more durable. It doesn't matter so much at higher levels, but if you're starting at low levels, it's a life-saver. Lower is usually better, regardless; for one game, I picked anthro tiger over mechanically more powerful versions (i.e. anthro cheetah or leopard), because its ECL was lower and the LA would be eaiser to buy off.</p><p></p><p>Also, you don't have to JUST play melee types with ECL characters; it's possible to make a useful spellcaster with a reasonably high ECL, just harder. My anthro tiger was accompanied by a fey'ri druid, who was quite useful...well, once she got decent spells and wild shape. Which took a while. I'd be tempted to play a tiefling psion, or an aasimar cleric, but nothing much above +1 LA.</p><p></p><p>Brad</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cignus_pfaccari, post: 2422663, member: 14557"] As an addendum to what Tzarevitch said, it also depends on what the racial HD are, and how they'll benefit the character concept. For example, Monstrous Humanoid is very good; Good BAB, Refl, and Will, and d8 HP. Outsider and Dragon are also quite good. However, Humanoid and Giant really aren't that great, with their middle BABs, and Fey is just plain out there. I mean, you can play an ogre fighter or barbarian just fine, but a redcap is just not going to be very effective in the long run, even with its +1 Str & Con/level. In general, races with an ECL of mixed racial HD and LA are preferable to those with just LA; an anthropomorphic tiger and a half-dragon have an ECL of 3, but the tiger's more durable. It doesn't matter so much at higher levels, but if you're starting at low levels, it's a life-saver. Lower is usually better, regardless; for one game, I picked anthro tiger over mechanically more powerful versions (i.e. anthro cheetah or leopard), because its ECL was lower and the LA would be eaiser to buy off. Also, you don't have to JUST play melee types with ECL characters; it's possible to make a useful spellcaster with a reasonably high ECL, just harder. My anthro tiger was accompanied by a fey'ri druid, who was quite useful...well, once she got decent spells and wild shape. Which took a while. I'd be tempted to play a tiefling psion, or an aasimar cleric, but nothing much above +1 LA. Brad [/QUOTE]
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