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<blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 2425057" data-attributes="member: 22882"><p>I just don't understand why you think players who've "played out," in their opinions, the core races should be 'penalized' for chosing something else. Sure, playing an aasimar isn't crippling the character. Even playing a hobgoblin isn't, quite, crippling the character, as long as he takes a non-spellcasting class.</p><p></p><p>Nonetheless, those characters will be weaker than their equivalents: Hobgoblin Fighter 3 vs. Human Fighter 4 (or Dwarf Fighter 4), Aasimar Cleric 19 vs. Human Cleric 20, etc. I suppose I just can't see how such an outcome could be positive for the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not talking about situational LA modifiers, though (Savage Species proposed something similar regarding the ability to swim). I'm talking about nothing more than a change in tone, say, from humanoid-dominated to goblinoid-dominated. Why add extra work for the DM by making him judge each goblinoid's LA, trying to discern if its designer meant it to be slightly underpowered compared to a core race character? What does NOT adjusting (or simply rounding up) LAs to favor certain races take away from the ordinary campaign?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, hobbies and aasimar are the same, LA +1. Mind flayers were thrown in as the second most common LA race I've heard players asking after. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Again, how does attempting to balance non-core races to the same standards as core races impact the ability of D&D to assume a certain type of campaign? Doesn't the presence of the PHB races in, well, the PHB, set them apart from the outset? Especially combined with their demographic representation according to the DMG?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm always glad to see designers explain why they did something. Thanks! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I look forward to seeing its next incarnation! If it's not too much trouble, what would be, just off the top of your head, the number one thing you'd change about the LA system if you had complete freedom to rework it to taste?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoogleEmpMog, post: 2425057, member: 22882"] I just don't understand why you think players who've "played out," in their opinions, the core races should be 'penalized' for chosing something else. Sure, playing an aasimar isn't crippling the character. Even playing a hobgoblin isn't, quite, crippling the character, as long as he takes a non-spellcasting class. Nonetheless, those characters will be weaker than their equivalents: Hobgoblin Fighter 3 vs. Human Fighter 4 (or Dwarf Fighter 4), Aasimar Cleric 19 vs. Human Cleric 20, etc. I suppose I just can't see how such an outcome could be positive for the game. I'm not talking about situational LA modifiers, though (Savage Species proposed something similar regarding the ability to swim). I'm talking about nothing more than a change in tone, say, from humanoid-dominated to goblinoid-dominated. Why add extra work for the DM by making him judge each goblinoid's LA, trying to discern if its designer meant it to be slightly underpowered compared to a core race character? What does NOT adjusting (or simply rounding up) LAs to favor certain races take away from the ordinary campaign? Well, hobbies and aasimar are the same, LA +1. Mind flayers were thrown in as the second most common LA race I've heard players asking after. :) Again, how does attempting to balance non-core races to the same standards as core races impact the ability of D&D to assume a certain type of campaign? Doesn't the presence of the PHB races in, well, the PHB, set them apart from the outset? Especially combined with their demographic representation according to the DMG? I'm always glad to see designers explain why they did something. Thanks! :) I look forward to seeing its next incarnation! If it's not too much trouble, what would be, just off the top of your head, the number one thing you'd change about the LA system if you had complete freedom to rework it to taste? [/QUOTE]
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