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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FreeTheSlaves" data-source="post: 2450715" data-attributes="member: 9952">Heh, I see the problem of the con modifier giving greater hps & similar BAB. My response would be to reduce the cr of the fighter 4 by 1, as per my rule of thumb, and get greater mileage from the martial weapons & heavy armour proficiencies.Unfortunately I think that if a solution can be found it is going to very convoluted because it is working the system in a direction it was never originally designed for. I wonder if it is actually worth the effort, none of my players will ever play a frost giant; indeed does every race need to be playable? Choices are fine but this seems ideologically driven to achieve total freedom of choice, which imho would sacrifice the primacy of the core races & thus be rejected by players.Point taken, spot the player/dm with a 3.0 dmg.</blockquote>