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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quirken" data-source="post: 5104401" data-attributes="member: 88301">I'm primarily after a lower LA, but if I can get stats and keep all the abilities, I'd prefer that.I know of Telflammar Shadow Lord and Shadowdancer. Both are kind of cool but individually I don't like them. The big limitation is they just can't do their signature move very frequently. There might be more that grant similar abilities I don't know about.That revised SD is much better, since you can use it enough for it to be useful now. That said, it's really a certain flavor I'm looking for.Any suggestions as far as what the minimum level ought to be? Perhaps I could shift those abilities over one level?Races of Faerun say they don't make Shades of less than 5th level, hence the choice. If you imagine gaining the template at 5th level, you'd be ECL9, which would effectively be the equivalent of finishing this prestige class at ECL 11 - two higher than the template.It was either that, get rid of the speed boost, or give it all at once. The template grants +20 to movement, or +15 in medium/heavy armor.Hm. Good flavor choice. As far as balance, I was imagining using it only when you were unable to hit with a sneak attack. That said, you have a pretty good point. Why bother trying to sneak attack if you could do nearly the same damage as a touch attack?What about changing the number of dice rolls to be your sneak attack dice minus ____ dice?Another possibility would be saying you can announce before your attack that you will sacrifice any number of your sneak attack dice, and gain those dice as a bonus to your attack roll, and deal the remaining sneak attack damage regardless of whether they are flat footed? So when you are having trouble hitting something, you can sacrifice 1d6 to get a 1d6 bonus to your attack, and THEN if it hits, you get the remaining sneak attack damage.Faerun is originally a 3.0 world, and they brought most of it up to 3.5. This is probably an artifact of that. Just get rid of the "equivalent" part, right?Interesting. That would be simultaneously more useful and less overpowered. Your first turn you could then hide in the same fashion, giving an enemy a chance to hit you first. And outside of combat, you can now hide in any shadow within 300 feet.Hehe, yeah. Shadow Lords get it, and it's pretty slick.I would think so too, especially because Shades are now creatures of shadow. But the shade template says Su. Is this perhaps another 3.0 artifact? (i.e. there was no distinction between spell-like and supernatural?)I'm kind of a newbie, so in terms of game mechanics, is there a significant difference between the two except abilities that target only one type? In which case, which one is more rare? Do anti-magic fields suppress supernatural abilities, etc?Thanks for the feedback! It was all well thought out stuff, and I'll work it into the class when I have time.If at that point you have more ideas, I'd love to hear them!</blockquote>

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