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<blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 5595692" data-attributes="member: 51930">I don't know that this is reasonable.&nbsp; The need for favours would be manufactured, just like many needs in this economy are (example: pokemon cards, and membership in exclusive clubs).Concrete things are more than just favours; you need concrete goods, but you don't need someone to give you something you already have.Nope, left them out intentionally.&nbsp; Kids grow up and have a replacement value, while old and infirmed have already given much of their economic productivity (if they had any to begin with).&nbsp; What?!&nbsp;&nbsp; I can find you piles of people who won't.&nbsp; If they have the machine they'll defend it with their lives.&nbsp; I know people who've lived under bridges and live off generators for heat during the winter.&nbsp; They might spend the rest of their money on Crack, but if they had a crack-making machine they'd just stay in their tent 24/7 (or abandoned apartment) and be high all the time.&nbsp; Why kill themselves when they can be high forever?They won't want favours.&nbsp; They're... willing to live with that.People who don't have ambition are willing to accept whatever circumstance they're in.&nbsp; If they had a machine that could make them anything they wanted at the click of a button, they'd still be fine.So the Zero Point is some theoretical minimum amount of energy (other than no energy) that exists in the universe, like how there's 0 degrees Kelvin as the coldest things can get (but particles exist ergo there's some kind of energy existing).&nbsp; I get it, though if it's the minimum amount of energy existing, how does one build up a charge of it to use (ie: create a high concentration out of minimum concentration, so I can do work with it)?&nbsp; Maybe that's why it's a narrative tool in sci fi rather than a reality?thanks, btw.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fireinthedust, post: 5595692, member: 51930"] I don't know that this is reasonable. The need for favours would be manufactured, just like many needs in this economy are (example: pokemon cards, and membership in exclusive clubs). Concrete things are more than just favours; you need concrete goods, but you don't need someone to give you something you already have. Nope, left them out intentionally. Kids grow up and have a replacement value, while old and infirmed have already given much of their economic productivity (if they had any to begin with). What?! I can find you piles of people who won't. If they have the machine they'll defend it with their lives. I know people who've lived under bridges and live off generators for heat during the winter. They might spend the rest of their money on Crack, but if they had a crack-making machine they'd just stay in their tent 24/7 (or abandoned apartment) and be high all the time. Why kill themselves when they can be high forever? They won't want favours. They're... willing to live with that. People who don't have ambition are willing to accept whatever circumstance they're in. If they had a machine that could make them anything they wanted at the click of a button, they'd still be fine. So the Zero Point is some theoretical minimum amount of energy (other than no energy) that exists in the universe, like how there's 0 degrees Kelvin as the coldest things can get (but particles exist ergo there's some kind of energy existing). I get it, though if it's the minimum amount of energy existing, how does one build up a charge of it to use (ie: create a high concentration out of minimum concentration, so I can do work with it)? Maybe that's why it's a narrative tool in sci fi rather than a reality? thanks, btw. [/QUOTE]

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