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<blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5600151" data-attributes="member: 6674931"><p>I think i explained myself in my previous post? ...now are you saying that your word has more value ...for some reason?</p><p></p><p>I suggest you check on Gygax's influences... it's always medieval this ...medieval that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>?</p><p></p><p>No, when I am thinking medieval, I'm thinking everything from the 5th century to 15th.</p><p></p><p>"<em>actual historical pre-Black Death high feudal medieval"</em> as you say it, is actually the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Middle_Ages" target="_blank">High Middle Ages</a> and before that is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages" target="_blank">Early Middle Ages</a>. From 1300 to 1500 its called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Middle_Ages" target="_blank">Late Middle Ages</a></p><p></p><p>All of the above is called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages" target="_blank">Middle Ages</a>.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Now, my suspicion is that people who claim that D&D belongs to Renaissance are actually confused... but let me explain.</p><p></p><p>As I said many times above/before, D&D, although historically based in the Middle Ages Europe, it also incorporates some other stuff from various cultures and from various Historical Periods; be that before or after the Middle Ages. There are Egyptian and Greek mythological beasts that date back to 4000 BC, as there are some weapons and some few technologically advanced gadgets that were actually used/innovated after the 15th century. Since D&D <u>does not copy</u> an exact historical period, I don't think it's logical to define the Historical Period D&D is based on, by the most advanced of weapons/gadgets/items in the game. The striking majority of classes, weapons, armor, clothing and gadgets, etc are based on the Middle Ages and that is undeniable. </p><p>When polearms and rapiers made their appearance, some of the heavy/old swords and armor were already extinct... but they were not removed from the game!</p><p> Just because there are gnomes who build machines, does not mean D&D resembles the industrial Age! </p><p></p><p>NONE of the "advanced" gadgets alter the chronology of D&D, as none of the "Ancient" stuff alter the chronology of D&D, </p><p></p><p>they are just there mixed with all that makes, or not, cense.</p><p></p><p>What one has to see so as to make up his mind, is that the crushing majority of actual historic stuff/influences in D&D, derive from the Middle Ages. </p><p></p><p>Even Tolkien, who is the undeniable "non-actual-historic" MAJOR influence on D&D, ...has created a <strong><u>Medieval</u></strong>-ish fantasy world, upon which D&D is MAINLY based on.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Am I to take your word for it? I don't see any arguments here...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is nothing bastard or pseudo about. The Black Death (1350) does not signal the end of the Middle ages. As you mentioned it yourself, the fall of Constantinople does (1453). Some even argue that the Middle ages come at a close in 1492, with the discovery of America by Columbus.</p><p></p><p>Whatever the case, after the Black Death and until the mid-late 15th century, this period is still part of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages" target="_blank">Middle Ages</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jimlock, post: 5600151, member: 6674931"] I think i explained myself in my previous post? ...now are you saying that your word has more value ...for some reason? I suggest you check on Gygax's influences... it's always medieval this ...medieval that. ? No, when I am thinking medieval, I'm thinking everything from the 5th century to 15th. "[I]actual historical pre-Black Death high feudal medieval"[/I] as you say it, is actually the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Middle_Ages"]High Middle Ages[/URL] and before that is the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages"]Early Middle Ages[/URL]. From 1300 to 1500 its called the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Middle_Ages"]Late Middle Ages[/URL] All of the above is called the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages"]Middle Ages[/URL].:) Now, my suspicion is that people who claim that D&D belongs to Renaissance are actually confused... but let me explain. As I said many times above/before, D&D, although historically based in the Middle Ages Europe, it also incorporates some other stuff from various cultures and from various Historical Periods; be that before or after the Middle Ages. There are Egyptian and Greek mythological beasts that date back to 4000 BC, as there are some weapons and some few technologically advanced gadgets that were actually used/innovated after the 15th century. Since D&D [U]does not copy[/U] an exact historical period, I don't think it's logical to define the Historical Period D&D is based on, by the most advanced of weapons/gadgets/items in the game. The striking majority of classes, weapons, armor, clothing and gadgets, etc are based on the Middle Ages and that is undeniable. When polearms and rapiers made their appearance, some of the heavy/old swords and armor were already extinct... but they were not removed from the game! Just because there are gnomes who build machines, does not mean D&D resembles the industrial Age! NONE of the "advanced" gadgets alter the chronology of D&D, as none of the "Ancient" stuff alter the chronology of D&D, they are just there mixed with all that makes, or not, cense. What one has to see so as to make up his mind, is that the crushing majority of actual historic stuff/influences in D&D, derive from the Middle Ages. Even Tolkien, who is the undeniable "non-actual-historic" MAJOR influence on D&D, ...has created a [B][U]Medieval[/U][/B]-ish fantasy world, upon which D&D is MAINLY based on. Am I to take your word for it? I don't see any arguments here... There is nothing bastard or pseudo about. The Black Death (1350) does not signal the end of the Middle ages. As you mentioned it yourself, the fall of Constantinople does (1453). Some even argue that the Middle ages come at a close in 1492, with the discovery of America by Columbus. Whatever the case, after the Black Death and until the mid-late 15th century, this period is still part of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages"]Middle Ages[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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