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<blockquote data-quote="varden" data-source="post: 5982465" data-attributes="member: 12142">I’m a 4Eer since it came out. I’m a story-teller and method actor, roleplayer not rollplayer, and I find 4E supports that really well. More importantly, my game group likes it. We have all the types of players and they all find something to like in it. It’s easy to DM on the fly too. I’m also the guy who took actual enemy fire in Edition Wars: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/new-horizons-upcoming-edition-d-d/325922-took-enemy-fire-edition-wars.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/new-horizons-upcoming-edition-d-d/325922-took-enemy-fire-edition-wars.html</a>Last week I heard the first real compelling argument in favor if 3E/Pathfinder against 4E – the roleplaying element.The guy who owns our FLGS told me he watches kids playing both versions. The 3E kids roleplay and get into the story. The 4E kids are only about “leveling.” I told him we’ve never seen that at our game group, or my teenage nephew’s.He countered that it’s likely me, as a 30-year gamer, who’s probably driving that roleplaying element.&nbsp; It’s true, I DMed the nephew’s group through 1st level. Then their genius-prodigy friend took over. They’re also all in Speech and Debate or Drama Club.He said that up till 4E, there was enough vagueness in the rules that players were forced to do some original thinking. The simplified rules encourage roleplaying in experienced gamers, but stifle it in new gamers. My group and I will never go back to 3E or try Pathfinder, but I finally understand one of the issues their fans are talking about, and I respect their point of view.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="varden, post: 5982465, member: 12142"] I’m a 4Eer since it came out. I’m a story-teller and method actor, roleplayer not rollplayer, and I find 4E supports that really well. More importantly, my game group likes it. We have all the types of players and they all find something to like in it. It’s easy to DM on the fly too. I’m also the guy who took actual enemy fire in Edition Wars: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/new-horizons-upcoming-edition-d-d/325922-took-enemy-fire-edition-wars.html[/url] Last week I heard the first real compelling argument in favor if 3E/Pathfinder against 4E – the roleplaying element. The guy who owns our FLGS told me he watches kids playing both versions. The 3E kids roleplay and get into the story. The 4E kids are only about “leveling.” I told him we’ve never seen that at our game group, or my teenage nephew’s. He countered that it’s likely me, as a 30-year gamer, who’s probably driving that roleplaying element. It’s true, I DMed the nephew’s group through 1st level. Then their genius-prodigy friend took over. They’re also all in Speech and Debate or Drama Club. He said that up till 4E, there was enough vagueness in the rules that players were forced to do some original thinking. The simplified rules encourage roleplaying in experienced gamers, but stifle it in new gamers. My group and I will never go back to 3E or try Pathfinder, but I finally understand one of the issues their fans are talking about, and I respect their point of view. [/QUOTE]

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