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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 5983772" data-attributes="member: 11821">If you can find anywhere where I say it's not okay or valid to like other games, or that someone who doesn't like 4e is somehow wrong in their opinions, please show me.  Because you're reading an awful lot into what I'm saying here.The dispute above was in regards to specific claims of facts, not claims of opinions.  If you don't care for 4e and have a game you like, go ahead and have fun doing it, and I'm genuinely glad you have a game you like.  I'm genuinely puzzled by, and frankly entirely sick of arguments that (1) 4e is some kind of lesser form of roleplaying (or not even an RPG at all; (2) that 4e is not D&D; and (3) That something like "dissociated mechanics" or whatever the new zeitgeist is makes for an objectively lesser RPG.  I'll also add, (4) The insistence that when you're in combat or using the mechanics of the game that you're not role-playing.Those bug me.  Someone who just doesn't find 4e their cup of tea and spends productive time talking about games they do love and playing them ... well, I think that's great.Edited to add: Also remember - this is a discussion forum. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> And, within limits of politeness, you can expect your posted positions to be challenged - be they opinions or statements of fact.  That's part of the reason we're here.  Your facts can be questioned, and your opinions can be challenged.  (Not in the sense of, "your opinion is wrong" but in the sense of, "what led you to that conclusion?")  As for me, I'm a lot less active on these forums these days because I get nothing out of re-hashing these same arguments over and over again.  Really, pull up any thread from 2008 or 2009 and you will find basically identical arguments by largely the same people.-O</blockquote>

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