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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 4756949" data-attributes="member: 10784">I'm neutral on 4EI was a year into a 3.5 campaign when 4E came out, and since I'm so focused on that as a DM, I have barely perused the 4E books.  So, I have no opinion on 4E.  I told the group that I planned on finishing the campaign in 3.5, then deciding if we should stick with 3.5 for the next campaign, or move on to 3.75/Pathfinder or on to 4E and that was fine with everybody.When 3E came out in 2000, there was a clear need for a new edition.  While 2E had its good points, it had become so big, unwieldy and inconsistent that it was hard to find two groups that played it exactly the same.  Plus, since it had been a decade since 2E came out, things had stagnated in terms of books for so many different gaming worlds - FR, Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dragonlance, Spelljammer, etc, etc - that with kits and skills & powers and so on it was a huge change from the original 2E that came out in 1989 or 1990.  People were hungry for change, and 3E was it.With 4E, I don't think there was a clear need for a new edition.  While 3.5 was becoming unwieldy with prestige classes, new core classes, new skills & feats, etc, it was still not to the point where it was unplayable and unrecognizable when compared to the original 3.5.  While many had problems with aspects of 3.5, I did not see a huge demand for change out there among gamers.  And, if you did not like 3.5, you could always go back to 3E, 2E or 1E as an alternate, or make a few house rules to 3.5 to fix things you didn't like... I know my old group literally had a book of 2E house rules, but far less for 3E and 3.5.  (And, don't get me wrong, I have many fond memories of 1E and 2E...)that is my opinion at least.  I understand that Hasbro needs to make money, but I think pushing out a 4E is more of a short-term decision than a long term one.  They know a new edition will generate a bump in sales for the new books and first several new products... I think 3.5 was still a few years away from being unworkable and in need of change.  And, I would have hoped that 4E would have been more like the change from 1E to 2E.</blockquote>

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