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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beginning of the End" data-source="post: 4757063" data-attributes="member: 55271">I can't speak for Treebore, but I would have preferred to see a game that still had the core gameplay present in OD&D through 3rd Edition. That would mean fighters who still play like fighters; wizards who still play like wizards; and so forth. This would also extend to things like saving throws and the core tropes of the assumed setting.I think there were meaningful, deep revisions that could be made to 3rd Edition that would have kept that core gameplay intact while fixing the balance-between-classes and DM prep issues without doing the "completely new roleplaying game" approach that 4th Edition adopted instead.The design and marketing strategy of 4th Edition virtually guaranteed a huge split in the player base. Exacerbated by the existence of the OGL, it may be the largest split in the player base D&D has ever seen. (Although it's impossible to know that for sure.)X = existing players who stick with the old editionY = existing players who adopt the new editionZ = new players are attracted by the new edition (who would not have been attracted by the previous edition)As with any new edition, WotC is hoping that Z + Y is larger than X + Y.It worked with 3rd Edition. But the 3rd Edition team went out of its way to make it happen and had two decades of disaffected customers who could be potentially drawn back into the fold by correcting a multitude of problems in both system design and customer relations.The 4th Edition team, OTOH, seemingly went out of its way (and continues to go out of its way) to alienate their customers and had a much narrower range of legitimate mechanical problems that needed to be corrected.</blockquote>

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