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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beginning of the End" data-source="post: 4758194" data-attributes="member: 55271">Is the "1 million 3E PHB's sold in the first year" thing an actual quote from somewhere? I hadn't heard it before.I'm not particularly convinced that first year PHB sales are a completely reliable indicator of successful conversion, either. I know lots of people who own 4E PHBs who bought them, read them, and are unlikely to ever give WotC another dollar of their money. (I've also known a fair share of people who bought 3E PHBs, read them, and never bought another 3E product.)And Pathfinder isn't a perfect substitute for our hypothetical alter-4E for a number of reasons. Off the top of my head: (1) The lack of the trademark. The D&D trademark is just flat-out valuable. Leader of the pack and all that. If you had taken 3E and published it as Awesome Fantasy Roleplaying in 2000 while WotC continued producing AD&D, AD&D would not have noticed the flea biting its ass.(2) The religious fervor of the 3E vs. 4E in many circles, leading to meaningful "geek tribalism". Pathfinder is getting criticized by lots of 3E fans for not being a reprinting of the 3.5 ruleset in a way that probably would not be true if it was what WotC had published as 4th Edition. Speaking in generalities, 4th Edition has made 3E Loyalists more suspicious of change and made 4E Loyalists more critical of grognard luddism.(3) The lack of D&D support material not accessible through the OGL. The WotC-owned campaign settings are one obvious example.</blockquote>

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